How do I find the Taylor Series of ##\frac{q}{\sqrt{1+x}}## around x = 0?

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The discussion revolves around finding the Taylor Series of the function ##\frac{q}{\sqrt{1+x}}## around the point x = 0. Participants explore various methods for deriving the series, including term-wise differentiation and the binomial series expansion.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an initial attempt at the Taylor series, expressing uncertainty about their result and suggesting there might be a better method.
  • Another participant points out that the variable q should be included in the series and notes that the initial attempt seems to miss some components.
  • A participant identifies the series as a binomial series with a specific parameter, referencing external material for further clarification.
  • Another participant provides a detailed calculation of derivatives at x = 0, identifying a pattern in the coefficients and suggesting a formula for the nth derivative.
  • One participant acknowledges a typographical error regarding the variable q, clarifying that they intended to use 1 instead.
  • Several participants discuss the equivalence of the binomial series and the Taylor series, with some arguing that the binomial series serves as a straightforward way to derive the Taylor series without calculating derivatives.
  • Concerns are raised about the lack of a simple explanation for why the binomial series applies to arbitrary powers, suggesting that the current explanations may not be satisfactory for all readers.

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Participants express differing views on the clarity and sufficiency of the explanations provided. While some agree on the utility of the binomial series, others feel that the reasoning lacks depth. There is no consensus on a single method or explanation being superior.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the discussion could benefit from clearer connections between the binomial series and the Taylor series, as well as a more thorough justification for the application of the binomial theorem in this context.

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This is rather embarrassing, because I should have known how to do this for years.

Question:

Compute the Taylor Series of ##\frac{q}{\sqrt{1+x}}## about x = 0.

Attempt at Solution:

Term-wise, I have gotten...

##f(0)+f'(0)+f''(0)+... = 1+1\left(-\frac{1}{2}\right)x+1\left(-\frac{1}{2}\right)\left(-\frac{3}{2}\right)x^2+1\left(-\frac{1}{2}\right)\left(-\frac{3}{2}\right)\left(-\frac{5}{2}\right)x^3+...##

I have gotten this to reduce to...

##\sum\limits_{k=0}^{\infty}x^k\left(-\frac{1}{2}\right)^k\frac{(2k-1)!}{2^k}##

There is definitely a better way to do this. I am not thinking clearly. Additionally, I am not that confident in my answer, given the time of night.
 
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At first glance - shouldn't there be a q in there?

If your termwise relation is supposed to be the series, you seem to have missed some bits.

Apart from that - it all seems pretty standard.
 
Writing [itex]q/\sqrt{1+ x}[/itex] as [itex]q(1+ x)^{-1/2}[/itex] we have:
The value at 0 is q. The first derivative is [itex]-(1/2)q(1+ x)^{-3/2}[/itex] so
its value at 0 is -(1/2)q. The second derivtive is [itex](3/4)q(1+ x)^{-5/2}[/itex] so
its value at 0 is (3/4)q. The third derivative is [itex]-(15/8)q(1+ x)^{-7/2}[/itex] so
its value at 0 is -(15/8)q. The fourth derivative is [itex](105/16)q(1+ x)^{-9/2}[/itex] so
its value at 0 is (105/16)q...

That should be enough to see the pattern: it alternates sign with positive sign when n, the order of the derivative, is even so that is [itex](-1)^n[/itex]. The denominator of the fraction is a power of 2: [tex]2^n[/tex]. There is, obviously, a factor of "q". The numerator of the fraction is the only "tricky" part. It is 1(3)(5)(7)..., a sort of "factorial" except that the even integers are missing. We can write that as 1(3)(5)(7)= 1(2)(3)(4)(5)(6)(7)/[2(4)(6)]= 7!/([2(1)][(2)(2)][(2)(3)])= 7!/[2^3(3!)] (when n= 4). So that is (2n- 1)!/[2^{n-1}(n-1)!].

Putting those together, the nth derivative, at x= 0, is
[tex](-1)^n\frac{(2n-1)!}{2^{n-1}(2^n)(n- 1)!}q= (-1)^n\frac{(2n-1)!}{2^{2n-1}(n-1)!}q[/tex]
and the coefficient of [itex]x^n[/itex] in the Taylor series expansion about x= 0 is that divided by n!.
 
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TheFerruccio said:
This is rather embarrassing, because I should have known how to do this for years.

Question:

Compute the Taylor Series of ##\frac{q}{\sqrt{1+x}}## about x = 0.

Attempt at Solution:

Term-wise, I have gotten...

##f(0)+f'(0)+f''(0)+... = 1+1\left(-\frac{1}{2}\right)x+1\left(-\frac{1}{2}\right)\left(-\frac{3}{2}\right)x^2+1\left(-\frac{1}{2}\right)\left(-\frac{3}{2}\right)\left(-\frac{5}{2}\right)x^3+...##

I have gotten this to reduce to...

##\sum\limits_{k=0}^{\infty}x^k\left(-\frac{1}{2}\right)^k\frac{(2k-1)!}{2^k}##

There is definitely a better way to do this. I am not thinking clearly. Additionally, I am not that confident in my answer, given the time of night.

You can get the same result, without calculating the derivatives, by getting the binomial expansion for (1+x)-1/2.
 
Sorry guys. I meant to type 1 instead of q. My keyboard broke and the function key messed up. I did not catch that error.
 
mathman said:
You can get the same result, without calculating the derivatives, by getting the binomial expansion for (1+x)-1/2.
You have to know already that the binomial series is the Taylor series at x = 0 of the function f given by f(x) = (1 + x) α, where α ∈ ℂ is an arbitrary complex number.

I suppose that answers the original question.
 
Simon Bridge said:
You have to know already that the binomial series is the Taylor series at x = 0 of the function f given by f(x) = (1 + x) α, where α ∈ ℂ is an arbitrary complex number.

I suppose that answers the original question.

The binomial theorem series and the Taylor series (for this case) are both power series around 0. Therefore they must be identical for the same function.
 
If there was a simple explanation for why the binomial series worked for an arbitrary power then it would be a good answer, but as is it's basically just a way of telling someone what the answer is without explanation which isn't great.
 

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