How do I find the time taken by dogs to meet each other?

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The problem involves three dogs positioned at the vertices of an equilateral triangle, each running towards the next dog in a counter-clockwise direction. The goal is to determine the time it takes for the dogs to meet after starting to run at a constant speed.

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  • Participants discuss the concept of relative speed between the dogs and question how to calculate the distance traveled by the dogs. There are attempts to clarify the components of velocity and how they relate to the dogs' movements.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of relative velocity and the components of the dogs' velocities. Some guidance has been provided regarding the use of vector components, but no consensus has been reached on the calculations involved.

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Participants express uncertainty about basic concepts related to velocity and vector components, indicating a need for foundational understanding to solve the problem effectively.

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haruspex said:
You know the original distance, and the relative speed along the line joining two tells you how rapidly that distance diminishes.
Wow. Got it. I can't thank you enough for your step by step guidance.
 
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Because of symmetry, the dogs are at the corners of a equilateral triangle all times. The triangle rotates and shrinks with time, and it becomes a point at the end, at the centre of the original triangle. Both the time when the dogs meet and their trajectory can be easily obtained in a polar system of coordinate. The sides of the original triangle are of length a.

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The radial and tangential components of the velocity vector of a dog (represented by the red dot now) are vr=dr/dt=-vcos(30°)= -v√3/2. The tangential component is vθ=rdθ/dt=vsin(30°)=v/2.
The radial component is constant, so the radius is r=r0-√3/2 vt. At t=0, r=r0=a/√3. When the dogs meet, r=0, the time is
t=2/3 a/v.
The equation for θ is dθ/dt=0.5v/r Substituting r=a/√3-√3/2 vt and integrating, we get the time dependence of the angle. The trajectory is obtained by eliminating the time, but also using that dr/dt=dr/dθ dθ/dt, that is,
##-v\frac{\sqrt{3}}{2}=\frac{dr}{d\theta}\frac{v}{2r} ##
Integrating, the trajectory is ##r(\theta)=\frac{a}{\sqrt{3}}e^{-\sqrt{3} \theta}##
 

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