A kinematics problem in which direction of velocity keeps changing.

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The problem involves a kinematics scenario where a dog chases a rabbit running in a straight line. The setup includes a coordinate system with the rabbit starting at the origin and moving vertically, while the dog runs directly towards the rabbit at double the speed. The task is to determine the distance the dog travels to catch the rabbit.

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  • Participants discuss the definitions of variables and the application of trigonometric functions in the context of the problem. There are questions about the correct interpretation of the distance traveled by the dog and the use of Pythagorean theorem in the calculations. Some participants express confusion regarding the integration of distances and the relationship between the velocities of the dog and rabbit.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the problem with various interpretations being considered. Some participants have offered insights into the calculations and the assumptions made, while others are questioning the application of certain mathematical principles. The discussion reflects a collaborative effort to clarify the reasoning behind the problem setup and the calculations involved.

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Participants note potential misunderstandings regarding the use of variables and the geometric interpretation of the dog's path relative to the rabbit's movement. There is also mention of the need to carefully read the problem statement to avoid misinterpretations.

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Homework Statement


A dog sees a rabbit running in a straight line across an open field and gives chase. In a rectangular coordinate system (L,0), assume:

(i) The rabbit is at the origin and the dog is at the point at the instant the dog first sees the rabbit.

(ii) The rabbit runs up the y-axis and the dog always runs straight for the rabbit.

(iii) The dog runs at twice the speed of the rabbit.

Assuming L=300 units, how much does the dog have to travel to catch the rabbit?

Enter your answer as the distance the dog has traveled from sight to meal.

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The Attempt at a Solution


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From the figure
in vertical direction
##-dx=(2v-vcos\theta )dt##
##\int _{ 300 }^{ 0 }{ -dx } =\int _{ 0 }^{ t }{ (2v-vcos\theta )dt } ##
##300=2vt-v\int _{ 0 }^{ t }{ (cos\theta )dt } ##......(1)
in horizontal direction
##vt=2v\int _{ 0 }^{ t }{ (cos\theta )dt } ##
##\int _{ 0 }^{ t }{ (cos\theta )dt } =\frac { t }{ 2 } ##
putting this value in eq (1)
##300=2vt-\frac { vt }{ 2 } ##
##t=\frac { 200 }{ v } ##
I think we have to find displacement of dog.
Distance traveled by rabbit in this time is 200
By pytha
Displacement should be ##\sqrt { 40000+90000 } =360.55##
But this is incorrect.
Where did I go wrong.
 
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How have you defined your dx? Just looking at your figure, the change in x should depend on ##\sin\theta## rather than ##\cos\theta##.
 
##dx/dt## is the rate at which separation between dog and rabbit decreases.
Does this separation not decrease with ##2v-vcos\theta## ?
 
This is true. I was confused by your use of x as the variable when you also had an x-axis and I do not see something else strange in that approach at first glance.

However, in the last step, you seem to be trying to apply Pythagoras' theorem, but the path traveled by the dog does not constitute the hypothenuse of a right triangle. Instead, ask yourself this question: If the rabbit has traveled a distance of 200, how far has the dog travelled?
 
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It does. And initially it is 300. But the integral along the path of the dog is not 300. Only the vertical component is 300. In other words: initially dx is what you say it is, but as soon as theta is non-zero, the vertical component changes at a different rate!
 
Orodruin said:
This is true. I was confused by your use of x as the variable when you also had an x-axis and I do not see something else strange in that approach at first glance.

However, in the last step, you seem to be trying to apply Pythagoras' theorem, but the path traveled by the dog does not constitute the hypothenuse of a right triangle. Instead, ask yourself this question: If the rabbit has traveled a distance of 200, how far has the dog travelled?
As dog velocity is twice the velocity of rabbit so it should cover ##2(200)##.
Orodruin said:
However, in the last step, you seem to be trying to apply Pythagoras' theorem, but the path traveled by the dog does not constitute the hypothenuse of a right triangle.
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Could you please explain.o_O
 
BvU said:
It does. And initially it is 300. But the integral along the path of the dog is not 300.

What he has done is to integrate the total gain of the dog on the rabbit, i.e., he is integrating to find the total distance gained, not the total distance traveled (x the distance to the rabbit, not the x coordinate). He is also computing the total horizontal distance traveled which then gives him the integral he was missing for the gain.

Satvik Pandey said:
As dog velocity is twice the velocity of rabbit so it should cover 2(200).

So is 2x200 = 400 more in line with the expected answer?
 
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Oro: yes, right. I had the same confusion about dx.
Savik has done a very good job up to the point t = 200/v.
 
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BvU said:
Oro: yes, right. I had the same confusion about dx.
Savik has done a very good job up to the point t = 200/v.
Thank you BvU and Orodruin.:)
I thought that the displacement of dog is being asked that's why I used Pythagoras theorem.I should have read the question more carefully. :rolleyes:
 
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Anyway, your method was ingenious, Satvik!

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ehild said:
Anyway, your method was ingenious, Satvik!

ehild
Thanks ehild. Receiving a like from you means a lot to me.:w
I have seen similar types of question which involves this approach to the solution in some book earlier.I just applied this method here.:rolleyes:
 
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ehild said:
Anyway, your method was ingenious, Satvik!

ehild

I agree. +1
 
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Orodruin said:
I agree. +1
Thanks Orodruin. Receiving a like from you also means a lot to me.:w
 

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