How do I go from an Electric Field graph to Charge Density?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around interpreting an electric field graph to determine charge density, focusing on the relationship between electric field behavior and material properties such as insulators and conductors. The context includes concepts from electrostatics and Gauss's law.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the interpretation of the electric field graph, questioning how to transition from electric field values to charge density. There are attempts to categorize different sections of the graph based on material properties, such as identifying regions as insulators or conductors.

Discussion Status

Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of the graph's shape and the nature of the materials involved. There is a recognition of the need to clarify assumptions about the charge distribution and how it relates to the electric field. Hints regarding the application of Gauss's law and the behavior of electric fields in different materials have been provided, but no consensus has been reached.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem states no two connecting regions can be made from the same material, which influences their interpretations of the graph. There is also mention of the electric field behavior in conductors and insulators, as well as the need for a clear understanding of the electric field's dependence on radius.

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Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


E= kq/(r^2), E*dA = Q/e0

The Attempt at a Solution


Typically I understand how to interpret basic graphs such as going for V (potential) vs x graph to Electric field vs x graph by finding the slope of V since E= -grad V...and from their it's basic algebra.
As for going from E vs r to charge density, I'm a bit lost on how to do so for #2.

Is there a formula to follow such as what I described above in interpreting these graphs and possibly something to help me see the big picture?
My attempt at this problem is...and correct me if I am wrong...
From 0-a it seems that the electric field of the spherical object is increasing, so I'd say it's an insulator. From a-b there is a drop of 1/r graph...so imagining that we are far away the e-field would approach zero, so I'd say it would be "space"---that is what they meant by space right?--(nothing present/no material)

Thank you for your help!
 
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I think you are on the right lines, though I'm not sure whether you are supposed to provide all feasibly correct answers. Is there any curve that could not be the result of a charge distribution on an insulator?
The section from a to b doesn't look all that much like 1/r to me, but it might not be well drawn.
What do you propose beyond b?
 
haruspex said:
I think you are on the right lines, though I'm not sure whether you are supposed to provide all feasibly correct answers. Is there any curve that could not be the result of a charge distribution on an insulator?
The section from a to b doesn't look all that much like 1/r to me, but it might not be well drawn.
What do you propose beyond b?
I see that at b-c, it is at zero so then it must be a conductor since e field is 0 in conductors for stationary charges. And from c-d i assume it to be space? Since the problem states that no two connecting region are made from same material
 
Aristotle said:
I see that at b-c, it is at zero so then it must be a conductor since e field is 0 in conductors for stationary charges. And from c-d i assume it to be space? Since the problem states that no two connecting region are made from same material
As I said, I don't see why you can't replace any layer with a suitably charged (or uncharged) insulator, provided no adjacent layer is an insulator.
0 to a must be an insulator, so a to b must be space. But b to c could be either a conductor, or an insulator with exactly the same charge distribution as the conductor would have. c to d could be anything other than whatever you choose for b to c.
 
Aristotle said:

Homework Statement


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Homework Equations


E= kq/(r^2), E*dA = Q/e0

The Attempt at a Solution


Typically I understand how to interpret basic graphs such as going for V (potential) vs x graph to Electric field vs x graph by finding the slope of V since E= -grad V...and from their it's basic algebra.
As for going from E vs r to charge density, I'm a bit lost on how to do so for #2.

Is there a formula to follow such as what I described above in interpreting these graphs and possibly something to help me see the big picture?
My attempt at this problem is...and correct me if I am wrong...
From 0-a it seems that the electric field of the spherical object is increasing, so I'd say it's an insulator. From a-b there is a drop of 1/r graph...so imagining that we are far away the e-field would approach zero, so I'd say it would be "space"---that is what they meant by space right?--(nothing present/no material)

Thank you for your help!
Hint: You know the E field in a conductor is zero (at equilibrium). In an insulator with a spherically symmetric charge distribution, how does the E field behave as a function of radius? And in space around a spherical charge distribution, how does the E field behave?
As for the charge density, recall Gauss' law: the net electric flux through a gaussian surface is equal to the net charge enclosed over epsilon_0. And the net charge enclosed is the integral of the charge density. Consider then an electric field whose magnitude depends on r only, E= E(r). What is the flux through a spherical gaussian surface? Now, write this as [itex]\int 4 \pi \rho(r) r^2 dr / \epsilon_o[/itex]. Then, if you know how E depends on r you can figure out how [itex]\rho[/itex] depends on r.
 

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