How do I prove the subspace property for M and N in Linear Algebra?

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The discussion revolves around proving properties of subspaces M and N defined within the context of vector spaces V1 and V2 in linear algebra. The original poster seeks to establish that both M and N are subspaces of V, demonstrate that their intersection is the zero vector, and show that their sum equals V.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the definition of the intersection of M and N, questioning how to demonstrate that it contains only the zero vector. There are attempts to clarify the notation and definitions used in the problem statement.

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Participants are actively discussing the properties of M and N, with some suggesting methods to prove the intersection is the zero vector. There is a recognition of the need to clarify notation and definitions, and some participants offer insights into the logical structure of the proof.

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There are concerns regarding the clarity of notation and definitions used in the original problem statement, which may affect the understanding of the subspace properties being discussed.

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Homework Statement



Let V = V1 + V2, where V1 and V2 are vector spaces. Define M ={(x1, 0vector2): x1 in V1}

and N = {(0vector1, x2) : x2 in V2
0vector 1 is the 0v of V1 and 0vector is the 0v of V2 and 0v is 0 vector of V

a) prove hat both M and N are subspace of V
b) show that M n N = {0v}
c) show that M+N=V

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The Attempt at a Solution


I am not clear about what M intersection N is
is it that the intersection of M and N is the 0 vector? If so what are the first steps to show this?

as for a)

do uprove using cx1 + x2, where Yi = (Yi, 0v2) Yj = (Yj,0v2)
and so on...?
 
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For the intersection, (x,y) is in M and N if x=? and y=?.

For doing a, your notation is terrible so it's impossible to say whether you are making a reasonable statement. I say your notation is terrible because you start with vectors x1 and x2, and then you have vectors Yi and Yj coming from nowhere whose definitions depends on themselves.
 
let y1 = (m1, 0v2) be in M and let y2 = (0v1, m2) also be in M

so prove that cy1 + y2 is also in M?
 
Yes, except you should prove it for y2 = (m2, ov2)!
 
Sorry about that typo.

So for the intersection, is when the two vectors intersect right? And this wants me to prove that their intersection is at the 0v. So can I do something like (x,y) - (a,b) = (0,0) <--(where x,y and a,b are two vectors, so the intersection is when they are at the same point, so their difference is 0?)
 
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Sorry about that typo.

So for the intersection, is when the two vectors intersect right? And this wants me to prove that their intersection is at the 0v. So can I do something like (x,y) - (a,b) = (0,0) <--(where x,y and a,b are two vectors, so the intersection is when they are at the same point, so their difference is 0?)

What are x,y, and and b, how do they relate to M and N, and why is the intersection of M and N at all related to subtraction?

A vector (x,y) is contained in the intersection of M and N if (x,y) is contained in M and (x,y) is contained in N. If (x,y) is contained in M, what do we know about x and y? If (x,y) is contained in N, what do we know about x and y?
 
So M and N intersect when (x,y) is contained in both M and N...

if M = (x1, 0v2) and N = (0v1, x2) shouldn't the intersection calculated by when the difference of those is = 0?
So you can get the point where both M and N contains?
 
M is not a vector, and neither is N so those equalities you wrote don't make sense.
 
can we just assume there is a non-zero vector a1, a2 that's in both m and n for it to be in m, we know a1 = x 1 and a2 = 0 component vector thingie and since it's a non-zero vector, you know x1 does not equal the zero component vector now, apply a1,a2 to N since a1 is not a zero-component vector, a1 does not equal to the zero component, which is a requirement for the vector in N so a1 a2 is not in both sets which is a contradiction
so by proof of contradiction, there is no vector outside the zero vector in both m and n hence m intersection n is just the zero vector
 
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Yes, that sounds good to me. Technically you also should prove that the zero vector is contained in the intersection.
 

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