How Do I Show the Fourth Property for Inner Product in This Homework?

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The discussion revolves around demonstrating the fourth property of inner products within the context of linear algebra. Participants are exploring the properties of inner products, particularly focusing on the conditions under which certain properties hold true.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants are attempting to validate the fourth property of inner products, noting that they have successfully shown the first three properties. There are hints provided regarding specific cases and conditions that may simplify the demonstration.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered hints and insights regarding the implications of certain mathematical conditions, such as the positivity of determinants and traces in relation to real symmetric matrices. The discussion is ongoing, with various interpretations and approaches being explored without a clear consensus.

Contextual Notes

There are references to specific mathematical structures, such as determinants and matrices, and discussions on whether certain theoretical frameworks, like spectral theory, can be applied. Participants are also questioning the relevance of specific transformations and their impact on the properties being examined.

Onezimo Cardoso

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I could show that the first of the three properties are valid for any value of a,b,c but I couldn’t find a way to show the forth one.

Follow all the procedures I already did:

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Onezimo Cardoso said:

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I could show that the first of the three properties are valid for any value of a,b,c but I couldn’t find a way to show the forth one.

Hint: if ##{\bf x} = (x_1,0)##, it is easy to show that ##\langle {\bf x,x} \rangle > 0## for any ##x_1 \neq 0##. Also: for ##x_2 \neq 0## we have ##(x_1,x_2) = x_2(x_1/x_2,1)##, so ##\langle {\bf x,x} \rangle = x_2^2 \langle {\bf u,u} \rangle##, where ##{\bf u} = (x_1/x_2,1) \equiv (t,1)##.
 
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are you allowed to use spectral theory here?

Your matrix

##
\begin{bmatrix}
a & b\\
b & c
\end{bmatrix}##

is real symmetric. If the determinant is positive (one of your conditions in the iff) and the trace is positive (implied by ##a \gt 0##... why?) then it this tells you...
 
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Onezimo Cardoso said:

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I could show that the first of the three properties are valid for any value of a,b,c but I couldn’t find a way to show the forth one.

Follow all the procedures I already did:
If you factorize Δ you get Δ=4x22(b2-4ac)
 
Onezimo Cardoso said:

Why do you suppose I wrote ##\langle {\bf x,x} \rangle = x_2^2 \langle {\bf u,u} \rangle##, where ##{\bf u} = (t,1)?## The fact that ##t = x_1/x_2## does not really matter at all if all you want to know is the sign of ##\langle {\bf u,u} \rangle##---think about it!
 

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