Inner Product Space - Pythagorean?

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The problem involves an inner product space ##V## and a finite dimensional subspace ##V_0##. The task is to demonstrate a relationship involving the projection of a vector ##v## onto the subspace ##V_0##, specifically that if ##v_0 = \text{proj}_{V_0}(v)##, then the equation ||v - v_0||^2 = ||v||^2 - ||v_0||^2 holds true.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the properties of inner product spaces and the implications of having an orthonormal basis for the subspace. There are attempts to manipulate the expressions involving norms and inner products to arrive at the desired equation. Some participants question the assumptions regarding orthogonality and the definition of projection.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring various approaches to demonstrate the relationship. Some have offered insights into the properties of inner products and projections, while others are still clarifying their understanding of the concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

There is an emphasis on the need to show that the inner product of the difference between the vector and its projection is zero, which is central to the argument. Participants are also considering the implications of working backwards from the equation they need to prove.

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Homework Statement


Let ##V## be an inner product space and let ##V_0## be a finite dimensional subspace of ##V##. Show that if ##v ∈ V## has ##v_0 = proj_{V_0}(v)##:

||v - vo||^2 = ||v||^2 - ||vo||^2

Homework Equations


General inner product space properties, I believe.

The Attempt at a Solution


So Vo is finite dimensional and has an orthonormal basis {v1, v2,..., vn} for finite n. I can say that right? If so,

##v_0 = \sum_{i=1}^{n}<v,v_i>v_i## (Not sure if that helps really)

Also <v - vo , vo> = 0 since they are orthogonal.

That's about where I get stuck. I see that the expression I'm supposed to arrive at is basically pythagorean theorem for inner product spaces, and I can see it in my head quite easily if n is 2 dimensional.

So I tried working backwards:

||v - vo||^2 = ||v||^2 - ||vo||^2

||v - vo||^2 + ||vo||^2 = ||v||^2

And using inner product properties I can get:

<v - vo , v - vo> + <vo, vo> = <v , v>

I don't know if that really helps though.

Any advice is appreciated.
 
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ElijahRockers said:

Homework Statement


Let ##V## be an inner product space and let ##V_0## be a finite dimensional subspace of ##V##. Show that if ##v ∈ V## has ##v_0 = proj_{V_0}(v)##:

||v - vo||^2 = ||v||^2 - ||vo||^2

Homework Equations


General inner product space properties, I believe.

The Attempt at a Solution


So Vo is finite dimensional and has an orthonormal basis {v1, v2,..., vn} for finite n. I can say that right? If so,

##v_0 = \sum_{i=1}^{n}<v,v_i>v_i## (Not sure if that helps really)

Also <v - vo , vo> = 0 since they are orthogonal.

That's about where I get stuck. I see that the expression I'm supposed to arrive at is basically pythagorean theorem for inner product spaces, and I can see it in my head quite easily if n is 2 dimensional.

So I tried working backwards:

||v - vo||^2 = ||v||^2 - ||vo||^2

||v - vo||^2 + ||vo||^2 = ||v||^2

And using inner product properties I can get:

<v - vo , v - vo> + <vo, vo> = <v , v>

I don't know if that really helps though.

Expand \|v - v_0\|^2 = \langle v - v_0, v - v_0 \rangle. You should get four terms. Why do the two terms you don't want vanish?
 
Didn't think I could...

So would it be:
##<v,v> -2<v,v_0 > + 2<v_0 , v_0> = <v, v>##
##<v,v_0 > = <v_0, v_0>##
##v = v_0##
##v - v_0 = 0##

so ##<v - v_0 , v_0> = 0##

Is that right?
 
ElijahRockers said:

Homework Statement


Let ##V## be an inner product space and let ##V_0## be a finite dimensional subspace of ##V##. Show that if ##v ∈ V## has ##v_0 = proj_{V_0}(v)##:

||v - vo||^2 = ||v||^2 - ||vo||^2

Homework Equations


General inner product space properties, I believe.

The Attempt at a Solution


So Vo is finite dimensional and has an orthonormal basis {v1, v2,..., vn} for finite n. I can say that right? If so,

##v_0 = \sum_{i=1}^{n}<v,v_i>v_i## (Not sure if that helps really)

Also <v - vo , vo> = 0 since they are orthogonal.

That's about where I get stuck. I see that the expression I'm supposed to arrive at is basically pythagorean theorem for inner product spaces, and I can see it in my head quite easily if n is 2 dimensional.

So I tried working backwards:

||v - vo||^2 = ||v||^2 - ||vo||^2

||v - vo||^2 + ||vo||^2 = ||v||^2

And using inner product properties I can get:

<v - vo , v - vo> + <vo, vo> = <v , v>

I don't know if that really helps though.

Any advice is appreciated.

You say you can show <v - vo , v - vo> + <vo, vo> = <v , v>? Isn't that the same thing as ||v - vo||^2 + ||vo||^2 = ||v||^2?
 
Dick said:
You say you can show <v - vo , v - vo> + <vo, vo> = <v , v>? Isn't that the same thing as ||v - vo||^2 + ||vo||^2 = ||v||^2?

Yea. but as far as I am able to tell I'm supposed to be able to show that given vo = proj_Vo (v). I was working backwards from ||v - vo||^2 etc
 
ElijahRockers said:
Yea. but as far as I am able to tell I'm supposed to be able to show that given vo = proj_Vo (v). I was working backwards from ||v - vo||^2 etc

How did you define projection? Have you shown <v-vo,vo>=0? That's all you really need. Expand ||v|| = ||(v-vo)+vo||.
 
Dick said:
How did you define projection? Have you shown <v-vo,vo>=0? That's all you really need. Expand ||v|| = ||(v-vo)+vo||.
Yes, I defined that in my original post. That's what I was thinking! Thanks!

EDIT: Shown, not defined.
 

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