How Do I Simulate the Motion of Heated Charged Molecules?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around simulating the motion of heated charged molecules, particularly in the context of a heavy liquid. Participants explore various equations and methods relevant to molecular dynamics simulations, including classical and potentially quantum approaches.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the appropriate equations to use for simulating molecular motion when heated, mentioning the Einstein-Stokes equation and Schrödinger equation.
  • Another participant suggests that the Schrödinger equation may not be necessary for initial treatments and recommends a book on classical simulation techniques.
  • There is a focus on the importance of accurately representing molecules and their interactions, with a participant indicating a preference for using hard spheres if they yield better results.
  • A participant emphasizes the need for the simulation to demonstrate the effects of heating on molecular motion with moderate accuracy.
  • Newton's equations are proposed as a foundational approach for simulating molecular motion, highlighting the significance of intermolecular potentials.
  • One participant mentions the complexity of molecular dynamics simulations and the potential need for simplifying assumptions based on the specifics of the project.
  • Another participant indicates an interest in studying the Lorentz force acting on charged molecules, raising questions about the nature of the molecules involved.
  • There is a clarification that the simulation will involve charged molecules, including ions, and that the participant intends to code the program themselves while seeking simpler methods.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best approach or equations to use for the simulation. Multiple competing views and uncertainties about the methods and assumptions remain present throughout the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of familiarity with physics concepts, which may influence their contributions. The discussion includes unresolved questions about the specific characteristics of the molecules and the interactions to be modeled.

Who May Find This Useful

Individuals interested in molecular dynamics simulations, particularly in the context of charged molecules and their behavior under heating, may find this discussion relevant.

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hi
before anything don't blame me much cause I'm chemical Eng & don't know physics much!
I'm about to run a computer simulation which is strongly related to physics so I need your help.

I need to simulate the motion of molecules when I heat them up likely a heavy liquid
perhaps some equation like Einstein-Stokes but that one was for particles in a fluid.
or maybe Schrödinger equation?
I'm totally confused can you guys help me find out?
 
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raymound said:
hi
before anything don't blame me much cause I'm chemical Eng & don't know physics much!
I'm about to run a computer simulation which is strongly related to physics so I need your help.

I need to simulate the motion of molecules when I heat them up likely a heavy liquid
perhaps some equation like Einstein-Stokes but that one was for particles in a fluid.
or maybe Schrödinger equation?
I'm totally confused can you guys help me find out?

Note to admins: This thread should probably be moved to a more appropriate section

It is unlikely that you need to use Schrödinger equation, or consider the quantum properties of the molecules ... at least not in the initial treatment. Check out the book, "Computer Simulations of Liquids" by Allen and Tildesley for a good review of the relevant techniques for classical simulations. In the meantime, can you give a little more information about your problem? For example, how do you want to represent your molecules? Will hard spheres work? Do they need to have shapes? Do you need to include an interaction potential between the molecules? Are there more than one kind of molecule in the fluid?
 


what is important for me is that the simulation should show the effect of heating on molecules motion well at least at a moderate accuracy the rest doesn't really matter much in this simulation.
I men for example if the hard sphere works better for liquid molecules motion on heating then that one is better.
and thanks for the book will try that
 


please some one help me.
at least name some of equations used to describe molecules motion.
 


raymound said:
what is important for me is that the simulation should show the effect of heating on molecules motion well at least at a moderate accuracy ...
That still doesn't tell us much. Regarding the quantum mechanical aspect, you may want to consider how the different modes are excited (e.g. compare the specific heat of a monatomic and diatomic gas).
 


raymound said:
please some one help me.
at least name some of equations used to describe molecules motion.

How about Newton's equations? Every particle will feel a force that is given by the gradient of the potential. Every particle will start out with a position and a momentum. Now, propagate the positions of all the molecules in time. That's all you need for the simulation. The devil is in the details however, and the functions you use to represent the intermolecular potentials are crucial.

What this should get across to you is that this is far from being a trivial problem ... molecular dynamics is *complicated* to simulate accurately using a computer program. It is possible that it is reasonable to make some simplifying assumptions in your application, but without more detail, it is very hard to guess what those assumptions might be.

Is part of this project writing the code yourself? In that case, the book I mentioned will be incredibly helpful.
 


I just found some applications for molecular dynamics simulation but they are for bio stuff.
I want to study lorentz force on their motion.
and yup If I have to I'll code the program by myself
and of course I don't want to study that motion on a super computer.
so I'll choose the simplest method or program if you know
 


raymound said:
I just found some applications for molecular dynamics simulation but they are for bio stuff.
I want to study lorentz force on their motion.
and yup If I have to I'll code the program by myself
and of course I don't want to study that motion on a super computer.
so I'll choose the simplest method or program if you know

Lorentz force? So these are *charged* molecules, and you are going to be applying a field to them? Are we talking about an ionic liquid here?
 


yup I'll have to use charged molecules and of course ions will be on my list.
consider this all my molecules will be charged + or - I mean they all will be unique
 

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