How do I solve this challenging trigonometric integral?

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The discussion revolves around evaluating the definite integral of a trigonometric expression, specifically \(\int \frac{3\cos x - 10\sin x}{10\cos x + 3\sin x}\) from \(-\frac{\pi}{3}\) to \(\frac{\pi}{3}\). Participants explore trigonometric identities and properties related to odd functions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants discuss the potential use of trigonometric identities and angle sum formulas. One participant reflects on a previous misunderstanding regarding the integral's evaluation due to the function's odd nature. Another suggests rewriting components of the integral using a common angle and identities.

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There is an ongoing exploration of different approaches to rewriting the integral. Some participants have offered insights into using trigonometric identities to simplify the expression, while others express gratitude for the guidance provided. The discussion remains open, with no explicit consensus reached.

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Participants note the challenge of integrating the expression and the initial misinterpretation of the function's properties. There is mention of constraints related to the understanding of product-sum rules and their application in this context.

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Homework Statement


[tex]\int[/tex] [tex]\frac{3cosx-10sinx}{10cosx+3sinx}[/tex] from -pi/3 to pi/3


Homework Equations


some sort of identity maybe?


The Attempt at a Solution


well...I made the mistake of saying the answer was zero since it's an odd function (yes, i know this is ridiculously not right) and so incurred the wrath of my calculus teacher. if someone can help me get started on this then maybe I can salvage something resembling a grade.
 
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you could try writing
[tex]10 = A.cos(\alpha)[/tex]
[tex]3 = A.sin(\alpha)[/tex]

for unknown A & alpha, plug this into your equation then make use of some tirg identities for angle sums...
maybe not that exactly... but something along those lines has a good chance of working
 
cuttlefish said:

Homework Statement


[tex]\int[/tex] [tex]\frac{3cosx-10sinx}{10cosx+3sinx}[/tex] from -pi/3 to pi/3


Homework Equations


some sort of identity maybe?


The Attempt at a Solution


well...I made the mistake of saying the answer was zero since it's an odd function (yes, i know this is ridiculously not right) and so incurred the wrath of my calculus teacher. if someone can help me get started on this then maybe I can salvage something resembling a grade.

lanedance had the start of this idea. Let's see if I can finish it off. First off, notice that the same two numbers appear: 3 and 10. If you square them, add them, and take the square root, you get sqrt(109). This will enter into things in a little while.

1. For the numerator, you have 3cos(x) - 10 sin(x). If this were sinA*cosx - cosA * sinx, you could rewrite this as sin(A - x).

2. Simililarly, you have 10cos(x) + 3sin(x) in the denominator. If this were cosA*cos(x) + sinA*sin(x), you could rewrite it as cos(A - x).

The trouble is, there is no A for which cosA = 10 or for which sinA = 3. This is where sqrt(109) comes in. Multiply the numerator and denominator of your integrand by 1 in the form of (1/sqrt(109))/(1/sqrt(109)).

The numerator now looks like 3/sqrt(109) * cos(x) - 10/sqrt(109)* sin(x). The denominator now looks like 10/sqrt(109) * cos(x) + 3/sqrt(109) * sin(x). So sinA = 3/sqrt(109) and cosA = 10/sqrt(109), and these should hold for both the numerator and denominator.

With this work, you can rewrite the integrand as sin(A - x)/cos(A - x), which is tan(A - x), which is easy enough to integrate. You'll need to find A, of course, which can be done by using the appropriate inverse functions in either sinA = 3/sqrt(109) or cosA = 10/sqrt(109).
 
wow, thanks you guys. this is definitely something that I never would have done. we spent like two seconds on product sum rules and I didn't really understand that they could be used like this. i'll need to write this down and stare at it for a couple minutes but thanks! I sense a passing grade in my future.
 

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