How do I start learning quantum physics?

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The discussion revolves around how to begin learning quantum physics, focusing on the necessary mathematical foundations and the appropriate starting points for studying quantum concepts. Participants share their perspectives on prerequisites in mathematics and classical physics, as well as their motivations for studying quantum physics.

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  • Some participants suggest a strong foundation in algebra, differential and integral calculus, and linear algebra is essential before tackling quantum physics.
  • Others emphasize the importance of understanding classical mechanics, arguing that it provides necessary context for quantum mechanics.
  • A few participants express that one can start learning quantum physics without a deep understanding of classical mechanics, though they acknowledge that it may lead to challenges.
  • There are differing opinions on whether advanced topics in classical mechanics, such as Hamiltonian mechanics and Poisson brackets, are necessary for a solid understanding of quantum mechanics.
  • Some participants inquire about specific mathematical concepts and textbooks that would be beneficial for beginners.
  • Motivations for studying quantum physics vary, with some participants interested in its mathematical challenges, while others are drawn to its conceptual implications and applications.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the necessity of a strong mathematical background, but there is significant disagreement regarding the role and importance of classical mechanics in learning quantum physics. The discussion remains unresolved on whether one can effectively study quantum mechanics without prior knowledge of classical mechanics.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about their current level of mathematical knowledge, particularly regarding calculus and linear algebra, which may affect their readiness to start learning quantum physics. There are also references to different educational systems that may influence participants' understanding of prerequisite topics.

  • #31
Just ran into this thread. Much appreciation to the patient responders (esp. on such a long-trodden road as this one). :cool:

I thought I'd share my experience that ignorance of the maths invoked here is greatest hurdle to any exploration of physics in a field other than classical mechanics, certainly in part because the 'standard process' prescribes the two (classics phys and calculus) to be co-requisite, and the introductory (collegiate) physics material reflects this assumption of parallel development.

The flip side of this though is that the robust mathematical repertoire (from what I gather--still working on it!) mentioned in previous posts allows one broad and great access to many facets of not only modern physics but throughout the whole of science.

Unfortunately (as I found) the raw time constraints imposed by Life makes taking the years to bring one's maths up to snuff a considerable investment, and (IMHO) the biggest obstacle to picking one's own way through the physics menagerie. A few years ago I was in a similar position to that of the OP, and eventually decided that--at least in beginning--the slow-and-steady traditional path was necessary, or at least the best option available, considering all the factors. Certainly not sexy: Classical Physics I and Calculus I...

En rout to my decision, I did discover that there ARE authors interested in reformulating the educational path in physics, with less of dependence on rigidly segregated classical foundations. They usually took the perspective of relaxing the chronological (historical) progression of the standard sequence in favor of a presentation based on their own preferred unifying principle(s).

One I found is called "A Radically Modern Approach to Introductory Physics," by Raymond:
From Raymond's 2006 preface said:
The course includes students intending to major in physics, but is not limited
to them. The idea for a “radically modern” course arose out of frustration
with the standard two-semester treatment. It is basically impossible to incorporate
a significant amount of “modern physics” (meaning post-19th century!)
in that format. Furthermore, the standard course would seem to be
specifically designed to discourage any but the most intrepid students from
continuing their studies in this area — students don’t go into physics to learn
about balls rolling down inclined planes — they are (rightly) interested in
quarks and black holes and quantum computing, and at this stage they are
largely unable to make the connection between such mundane topics and the
exciting things that they have read about in popular books and magazines.

I tried a couple of these but ultimately I felt 'neutered' without a real understanding of the mathematical sub-structure holding all of it up. Once I realized the magnitude of the undertaking (I'm talking Calc I-III+Diff EQ+a bit more, perhaps), I realized I might as well be studying what physics I can without such knowledge: namely Classical Mechanics. And 'whala:' I'm your standard undergraduate physicist! :-p
 
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