How Do Newton's Laws Apply to Weight Lifting?

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The problem involves an athlete lifting a barbell with constant acceleration, starting from rest. The objective is to determine the total force exerted by the athlete's feet on the ground while lifting the barbell, using Newton's laws of motion.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the forces acting on the barbell and the athlete, including the normal force and gravitational force. There is a focus on understanding how the weight of the barbell may change during acceleration and the implications of Newton's third law.

Discussion Status

Some participants have provided insights into the relationship between the forces involved and have questioned the concept of changing weight during acceleration. There is an ongoing exploration of the forces acting on both the barbell and the athlete, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants are considering the implications of the problem's setup, including the definitions of weight and normal force in the context of acceleration. There is a mention of potential confusion regarding the term "weight" as it relates to the forces experienced during the lifting process.

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Homework Statement


An athlete whose mass m is performing weight lifting excersies. Starting from rest positions, he lifts, with constant acceleration, a barbell that weighs w. He lifts the barbell a distance of x in time of t. Use Newton's laws to find the total force his feet exert on the ground as he lifts the barbell.

Homework Equations


F=ma


The Attempt at a Solution


I drew the free body diagram already, with the force his feet exert on the ground downward, the normal force upward, and the gravity force downward. Is this correct? Is there any other force I'm missing?
 
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interesting problem... things to note, when the barbell is being lifted its weight is different from when it is stationary (or not under acceleration). The normal upward force on the barbell is the force provided by the lifting. So, total foce on ground would I guess come from the body weight and the modified barbell weight
 
The barbell weight changes? I don't get this part...
 
Peach said:
The barbell weight changes? I don't get this part...

Nor do I. My understanding of the problem is that if the barbell accelerates upward, then this means that he is pushing upward on it with a force, F that is > its weight. Therefore, since the barbell has mass M = w/g, we have:

Ma = F - w

==> wa/g + w = F

==> w(a/g + 1) = F

Now, if he pushes up on the barbell with this force, then presumably the barbell pushes down on him with the same force (Newton's third law, this is why the problem says to use Newton's lawS (plural)). Which means that the floor, in addition to supporting his weight mg as it normally does, must also support force F. That's the best I can come up with for this problem. Somebody let me know if I'm totally on crack...
 
cepheid

what you have done have actually demonstrated that the (apparent) weight of the barbell has changed since F = w (a/g+1) which is different from its original weight w. It is like inside a lift when the lift accelerate up you feel that your feet is pushing down the floor of the lift harder. The term "weight" can sometimes be confusing.
 
Oh, okay. Fair enough.
 
So... the normal force is N = mg + w(2x/(t^2)+1) ? Something like that?
 

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