Weight lifter - Acceleration of the barbell ?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a weight lifter and the acceleration of a barbell. The scenario describes an athlete lifting a barbell with a specified weight and distance over a given time, prompting questions about free body diagrams (FBD), forces acting on the barbell and the athlete, and calculations related to force and acceleration.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss how to draw free body diagrams for both the barbell and the athlete, questioning the forces acting on each. There is uncertainty about the forces involved and how to represent them accurately.
  • Some participants inquire about the force the athlete applies to the barbell and whether it is simply the applied force.
  • Questions arise regarding the total force exerted by the athlete's feet on the ground while lifting the barbell, indicating confusion about the relationships between forces.
  • Newton's third law is referenced multiple times, with participants exploring the implications of action-reaction pairs between the athlete and the barbell.
  • There is a discussion about calculating net force and acceleration, with attempts to clarify the correct approach to these calculations.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants engaging in clarifying questions and exploring different interpretations of the forces involved. Some guidance has been offered regarding the application of Newton's laws, but there is no explicit consensus on the correct approach to the problem or the calculations involved.

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Participants are working under the constraints of a homework assignment, which may limit the information they can use or the methods they can apply. There is also a focus on understanding the relationships between forces without providing direct solutions.

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Weight lifter - Acceleration of the barbell ??

Homework Statement



Here is the info, and below are the questions I am a little stuck on...

"An athlese who mass is 90.0 kg is performing a lift exercise. Starting from the rest position, he vertically lifts a barbell weight that weighs 490N (50kg). He lifts the barbell a distance of 0.60 m in 1.6 seconds. Assume that the barbell has a constant upward acceleration and the athlete has no accerlation as he lifts the weight.

1) How would I draw a FBD for the barbell and the athlete? Which forces are acting on each the barbell and athlete?

2) Find the force that the athlete applies to the barbell to accerlate it?

3) Find the total force that the athlete's feet exert on the ground as he lifts the barbell?




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The Attempt at a Solution



1) How would I draw a FBD for the barbell and the athlete? Which forces are acting on each the barbell and athlete?

For the FBD on the barbell - Would it just be gravity(Fg) and applied(Fa) force pulling the weight up?

Not sure how to make a FBD for the athlete?


2) Find the force that the athlete applies to the barbell to accerlate it?

Would it just be applied force?

3) Find the total force that the athlete's feet exert on the ground as he lifts the barbell?

Really stuck on this one!
 
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nukeman said:
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The Attempt at a Solution



1) How would I draw a FBD for the barbell and the athlete? Which forces are acting on each the barbell and athlete?

For the FBD on the barbell - Would it just be gravity(Fg) and applied(Fa) force pulling the weight up?

Not sure how to make a FBD for the athlete?


2) Find the force that the athlete applies to the barbell to accerlate it?

Would it just be applied force?

3) Find the total force that the athlete's feet exert on the ground as he lifts the barbell?

Really stuck on this one!
FBD for the athlete:

What are the forces acting on the athlete?
 


Hi Sammy!

Well I would think Fg(gravity) downwards.

and Fn(normal force) from the floor upwards?

Is that it? Would the weights be an applied force?

P.S. - Am i correct for the FBD forces on the barbell?
 


Does the athlete exert force on the barbell ?

Then what does Newton's 3rd Law say about the barbell exerting force on the athlete?
 


SammyS said:
Does the athlete exert force on the barbell ?

Then what does Newton's 3rd Law say about the barbell exerting force on the athlete?
Yes, the athlete exerts a force on the barbell...For every action, there is a positive and equal reaction. ?

So on the barbell there is only Fg and Fa forces?

And on the person, there is Fg, Fnormal, and Fapplied?
 


nukeman said:
Yes, the athlete exerts a force on the barbell...For every action, there is a positive and equal reaction.
For every action (force) there is an equal (in magnitude) and opposite (in direction) reaction (force).

I repeat, "Then what does Newton's 3rd Law say about the barbell exerting force on the athlete? "
 


SammyS said:
For every action (force) there is an equal (in magnitude) and opposite (in direction) reaction (force).

I repeat, "Then what does Newton's 3rd Law say about the barbell exerting force on the athlete? "

So your saying the barbell is exerting an equal in magnitude, and opposite reaction in direction?
 


Yes.

(And Newton says the same thing.)
 


SammyS said:
Yes.

(And Newton says the same thing.)

would that force be an applied force?

Any chance u can help with other questions?

"Find the force that the athlete applies to the barbell to accerlate it?"
 
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What's the net force exerted on the barbell if it accelerates as described?
 
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SammyS said:
What's the net force exerted on the barbell if it accelerates as described?


By Netforce, do you mean mass*acceleration?

So, mass of 90.0 kg * acceleration of .375 m/s correct?

so 33.75 ? ?
 
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Acceleration is incorrect. also incorrect units.

Added in Edit:

The barbell accelerates uniformly. It travels 0.6 m in 1.6 s for an average velocity of 0.375 m/s. But since it starts from rest (zero velocity), its final velocity is 0.75 m/s, which gives the correct average velocity.

So the barbell's velocity changes by 0.75 m/s in a time of 1.6 s. What's its acceleration during that time?
 
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SammyS said:
Acceleration is incorrect. also incorrect units.

Added in Edit:

The barbell accelerates uniformly. It travels 0.6 m in 1.6 s for an average velocity of 0.375 m/s. But since it starts from rest (zero velocity), its final velocity is 0.75 m/s, which gives the correct average velocity.

So the barbell's velocity changes by 0.75 m/s in a time of 1.6 s. What's its acceleration during that time?

So the acceleration would be 0.468 m/s^2 ?
 
  • #14


0.46875 m/s2
 

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