How do the units of polarizability differ between SI and Gaussian systems?

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The discussion revolves around the units of polarizability in different unit systems, specifically comparing SI and Gaussian systems. Participants explore the implications of these units and how they relate to the physical interpretation of polarizability, including its representation as a ratio of dipole moment to electric field.

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  • Some participants question how polarizability can have units of volume, given the relationship u_induced = αE_applied.
  • One participant suggests that in the SI system, polarizability can be expressed in units of C m² V⁻¹, which they argue is more rational than a volume interpretation.
  • Another participant notes that in the CGS system, polarizability may be visualized as a cube of a length, leading to units of cm³, while in SI it does not translate to m³.
  • It is mentioned that the dipole moment has dimensions of charge times distance, specifically C m in SI and stat coulomb cm in Gaussian units, which contributes to the differing interpretations of polarizability.
  • Participants discuss the dimensions of electric fields in both systems, noting that this affects the derived units of polarizability.

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Participants express differing views on the interpretation of polarizability's units, with some supporting the idea of volume representation in CGS while others argue against it in SI. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these differing interpretations.

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The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the physical meaning of polarizability's units across different systems, as well as the dependence on definitions of dipole moment and electric field in each unit system.

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Can someone explain how it is possible for polarizability to have units of volume?

uinduced = αEapplied

so when i divide u_induced by E_applied I get units of (C*m)/(V/m) = (C*m2)/(J/C) = (C2m2)/J
 
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Steven Hanna said:
Can someone explain how it is possible for polarizability to have units of volume?

polarizability can not be visualized as a volume element ...in cgs system of units it may come out as cube of a length but in SI system it has physical more rational units as its a ratio of dipole moment induced by the external field ; one can represent it by the ratio as far as its units are concerned.
one can use C m^2. V^-1 as SI units
 
drvrm said:
polarizability can not be visualized as a volume element ...in cgs system of units it may come out as cube of a length but in SI system it has physical more rational units as its a ratio of dipole moment induced by the external field ; one can represent it by the ratio as far as its units are concerned.
one can use C m^2. V^-1 as SI units
can you explain how it is possible for the units to work out to cm^3 in CGS but not to m^3 in SI?
 
Steven Hanna said:
can you explain how it is possible for the units to work out to cm^3 in CGS but not to m^3 in SI?

The dipole moment has the dimension of charge times distance, which in SI units is C m (coulomb . meter).

In Gaussian units dipole moment is (stat coulomb .centimeter).

An electric field has dimension voltage divided by distance,

so that in SI units E has dimension V/m and in Gaussian units stat V/cm. Hence the dimension of α is In SI: C m^2 V−1In Gaussian: statC cm^2 .statV−1 = cm^3,

where one can use that in Gaussian units the dimension of V is equal to stat C/cm (as per Coulomb's law).
for discussion one can see
http://en.citizendium.org/wiki/Polarizability
 

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