How do we have the amount of water we do on this planet?

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The discussion revolves around the origins of water on Earth, exploring various theories regarding how water came to be present on the planet. Participants examine potential sources of water, including geological processes and extraterrestrial contributions, while considering the implications of these theories.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that water on Earth originated from water vapor released from rocks during the planet's cooling phase, while others suggest that extraterrestrial sources, such as comets and asteroids, contributed significantly to Earth's water supply.
  • A participant notes that there is uncertainty regarding the exact origins of Earth's water, with some theories suggesting that asteroids were a primary source, while others argue for the role of comets or a combination of multiple sources.
  • One participant highlights the need for research into the "Origins of water on earth," referencing various scientific articles and studies that explore the topic.
  • Another participant critiques sensationalized headlines in popular science articles, emphasizing the ongoing debate and lack of consensus among scientists regarding the origins of Earth's water.
  • It is mentioned that the three leading hypotheses regarding the origin of Earth's water include early delivery, late heavy bombardment via wet asteroids, and late heavy bombardment via comets, each with its own advantages and disadvantages.
  • One participant points out the abundance of hydrogen, helium, and oxygen in the universe, suggesting that the presence of water is not surprising given these elemental abundances.
  • A later reply reflects on the self-referential nature of questioning the presence of water, indicating that while we can speculate on its origins, certainty remains elusive.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the origins of water on Earth, with no consensus reached on which theory is most accurate or widely accepted.

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Participants acknowledge the complexity of the topic, noting that various assumptions and definitions may influence interpretations of the evidence surrounding the origins of water.

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I have reasoned that if i go by the assumption that i am here and the universe is as it is, the only things i can really understand are gravity, time and the study of nature (feel free to disagree)

What happens at the time of death will be a topic for debate long after i have reached that point so I'm not even going to bother with that one. However water is an interesting one!

Please feel free to correct me but the way i understand how water came to be on this planet is that when the Earth was cooling down water vapour was released from rocks, and the rest of the water we have must have presumably been delivered via an extra terrestrial source like comets and what nots??

Now i have read in numerous places that there is roughly 326 million trillion gallons of water on the planet. Has there been any studies into how much water vapour could have been released? Though i know those kinds of calculations are way above my head, they must be possible. I would like to find out the total amount of water we had before the bombardment for space...any thoughts??
 
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S.daniels009 said:
I have reasoned that if i go by the assumption that i am here and the universe is as it is, the only things i can really understand are gravity, time and the study of nature (feel free to disagree)

What happens at the time of death will be a topic for debate long after i have reached that point so I'm not even going to bother with that one. However water is an interesting one!

Please feel free to correct me but the way i understand how water came to be on this planet is that when the Earth was cooling down water vapour was released from rocks, and the rest of the water we have must have presumably been delivered via an extra terrestrial source like comets and what nots??

Now i have read in numerous places that there is roughly 326 million trillion gallons of water on the planet. Has there been any studies into how much water vapour could have been released? Though i know those kinds of calculations are way above my head, they must be possible. I would like to find out the total amount of water we had before the bombardment for space...any thoughts??

I have read that no one knows where the water came from. The most popular theory is asteroids. Or it could be that there were multiple significant sources.
 
S.daniels009 said:
Please feel free to correct me but the way i understand how water came to be on this planet is that when the Earth was cooling down water vapour was released from rocks, and the rest of the water we have must have presumably been delivered via an extra terrestrial source like comets and what nots??
Has one tried to do some research on "Origins of water on earth" via a search engine.

One possibility - http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/10/141030-starstruck-earth-water-origin-vesta-science/

Normally, hydrated rock has to be heated to release water.

Note there are 'icy' moons around Jupiter and Saturn, and the rings around Saturn contain water. Comets and various trans-Neptunian objects contain ice.

Also see - http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/rosetta-pours-cold-water-on-cometary-origins-of-earth-s-oceans/
http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news008.html

Deuterium can be formed in stars, but also outside of stars through simple neutron capture by protons. Neutrons can be formed by interactions of various nuclei with solar protons and cosmic rays (high energy particles) in so-called spallation reactions. One could have to measure the D/H concentration in a comet to see if it changes with time and if so, at what rate is changes.
 
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Astronuc said:
I'm not thrilled with pop sci articles such as that one. The problem is the title, "Mystery of Earth's water origin solved." It should have been "Scientists claim to have solved mystery of the origin of Earth's water (but others agree to disagree)."

There are three leading contenders regarding the origin of most of the Earth's waters:
- It came here early (e.g., the cited article),
- It came here mostly during the late heavy bombardment via wet asteroids,
- It came here mostly during the late heavy bombardment via comets,

Each hypothesis has its pluses, but also its minuses. You can find advocates of each in the scientific literature, even as of 2015.
 
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"Scientists claim to have solved mystery of the origin of Earth's water (but others agree to disagree)."
Maybe is should be "Scientists claim a hypothesis or potential solution to the puzzle of the origin of Earth's water," but that wouldn't be a catchy headline.

I would certainly prefer that National Geographic and Scientific American didn't sensationalize their content or headlines.
 
One way to look at it is to realize that the three most abundant elements in the universe are hydrogen, helium and oxygen. Given this, it isn't really a surprise that water is ubiquitous.
 
S.daniels009, welcome to PF.
Water is here. If water was not here you would not be here.
You are here. If you were not here you could not ask the question "why water is here".
It all becomes very self-referential.
We can only guess at reasons for the presence of water, we can never be certain.
It is liquid water that is so very special for us.
 

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