How do we know/prove a slope of a line is constant?

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The discussion revolves around the nature of the slope of a line, questioning its constancy and exploring fundamental definitions of a line. Participants examine various mathematical perspectives, including geometric proofs and algebraic definitions, while considering different types of lines, including vertical lines.

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  • One participant questions the fundamental definition of a line and proposes proving that the angle between two right triangles is 180° to establish that their hypotenuse forms a straight line.
  • Another participant asserts that for the linear function f(x) = ax + b, the derivative f'(x) = a indicates that the slope is constant, suggesting simplicity in the definition.
  • A different viewpoint challenges the assumption that f(x) = ax + b is the only form of a line, referencing derivations that define slope as Δy/Δx being constant.
  • One participant introduces the case of the vertical line x = 2, noting that it is not a function and questioning how this fits into the discussion of slope.
  • Another participant emphasizes the need for a clear definition of a line, suggesting that the proof of slope constancy depends on accepted definitions and assumptions, referencing Euclidean geometry's treatment of lines as primitive concepts.
  • A later reply reiterates the initial geometric argument, suggesting that proving similarity of triangles rather than congruence suffices to demonstrate that the slope remains constant across different Δx and Δy values.

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Participants express differing views on the definition of a line and the nature of slope, with no consensus reached on a singular definition or proof method. Multiple competing perspectives on the topic remain unresolved.

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Participants highlight the dependence on definitions and assumptions regarding lines and slopes, indicating that the discussion may be limited by these factors. The mathematical steps and implications of different definitions remain unresolved.

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This discussion may be of interest to those exploring foundational concepts in geometry and calculus, as well as individuals examining the nature of mathematical definitions and proofs in the context of lines and slopes.

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Before I just accepted that the slope of a line is constant, but I'm wondering if there is an even more fundamental definition of a line.

If one draws two right triangles with a certain Δx and Δy as the legs and wants to prove that the connection of the two hypotenuses is a straight line, then should one prove that the angle between them is 180°?
http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/thumb_em0Ys5txnYiOhPNXJVSS0UDJe.jpg
I have drawn the original picture in purple and then by SAS one can prove the two triangles congruent and then prove that the corresponding angles ∅ are congruent. Once one proves there is a right angle adjacent to it and a (90-∅) adjacent to that, the sum gives 180°.
 
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If f(x) = ax + b then f'(x) = a, thus the slope is constant. No need to make it any more complicated than that.
 
Number Nine said:
If f(x) = ax + b then f'(x) = a, thus the slope is constant. No need to make it any more complicated than that.

Then you are assuming that f(x)=ax+b is the equation of the line. Yet in the derivations for an equation of a line that I have seen (one in Stewart's Calculus), that equation is derived from assuming a =Δy/Δx is constant.
 
And what about the line whose equation is x = 2? This isn't even a function, let alone one that is differentiable, and yet it is a line.
 
i have to ask, first, for you: what constitues an acceptable definition of a line?

there is more to the question than meets the eye, and what you will regard as an acceptable proof, depends on what you will allow as "given".

to underscore my point, in euclidean geometry, often lines are NOT defined, but are assumed to have certain properties instead (line is a "primitive concept" and any conceivable object with the properties of a line, is said to be a model for a line).

it is not hard to show, that for any set in the plane satisfying:

L = {(x,y): ax+by = c} (where a,b and c are "constants"). that the equation:

y2 - y1= m(x2 - x1)

has a unique solution m that holds for any pair (x1,y1), (x2,y2) in L; unless b = 0, in which case NO m will work.

but perhaps this is not what you're looking for, without more information, i cannot say.
 
lamp23 said:
Before I just accepted that the slope of a line is constant, but I'm wondering if there is an even more fundamental definition of a line.

If one draws two right triangles with a certain Δx and Δy as the legs and wants to prove that the connection of the two hypotenuses is a straight line, then should one prove that the angle between them is 180°?
http://uploadpic.org/storage/2011/thumb_em0Ys5txnYiOhPNXJVSS0UDJe.jpg
I have drawn the original picture in purple and then by SAS one can prove the two triangles congruent and then prove that the corresponding angles ∅ are congruent. Once one proves there is a right angle adjacent to it and a (90-∅) adjacent to that, the sum gives 180°.
You don't need that the two triangles are congruent- only similar. That way, you can use different length \Delta x and get a different \Delta y. But because the hypotenuses of the two right triangles are the same line, and the two horizontal sides are parallel, by "corresponding angles" from geometry, we get that the two angles you have labeled "\phi" are congruent so the triangles are similar. Then the ratios of corresponding sides are the same. Since the slope is the ratio of two sides, it is the same at every point no matter what "rise" and "run" you use.
 

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