How Do You Calculate Change in Temperature in a Thermodynamics Process?

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The discussion revolves around a thermodynamics problem involving a process with constant pressure, constant volume, and adiabatic conditions. Participants are exploring how to calculate the change in temperature and the associated heat transfer during this process.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate the change in temperature using the ideal gas law and specific heat equations but expresses uncertainty about their results. Other participants discuss the first law of thermodynamics and how to apply it to find heat transfer, questioning the calculations presented.

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Participants are actively engaging with the problem, with some providing alternative approaches and calculations. There is a recognition of differing interpretations regarding the signs of heat flow and work done, indicating a productive exploration of the concepts involved.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the importance of understanding the signs associated with heat flow and work done, noting that heat flow out of the gas is considered negative while heat flow into the gas is positive. Additionally, the discussion reflects on the assumptions made regarding the ideal gas behavior and the specific heat values used.

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Homework Statement



i have a thermdyanmics process. with a constant pressure, constant volume and adiabatic. please see the attachment.

Homework Equations



from C->A (constant pressure)
so change in pressure = 0
equations needed to do this problem:


Pressure* V = n *R* T -----------> main equation
heat = Q = Cp * n * change in temperature ----------------> main
(Cp is called the specific heat at constant pressure)

The Attempt at a Solution



our goal is use Q = Cp n * change in temperature

BUT we don't know change in temperature
we know Cp = 20.8 for an ideal monatomic gas (just a constant you look up in a physics textbook)
n = 1 mole

so how do we find change in temperature?

we need to use P Vinitial = n R Tinitial
400 * (1) = 1 * 8.315 * Tinitial

so Tinitial = 48.1058 Kelvin

P Vfinal = n R Tfinal

400 * 2 = 1 * 8.315 * Tfinal
so Tfinal = 96.2117 Kelvin

now we are done!

Q = n * Cp * change in temperature

Q = (1) *( 20.8 J/mol*K ) (96.2117 - 48.1058 Kelvin)
Q = 1000.6 Joules


is this right?

thank you
 

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This is just a first law problem: dQ = dU + dW where dW is the work done by the gas. For C to A:

(1) [tex]\Delta Q_{CA} = \Delta U_{CA} + W_{CA} = \Delta U_{CA} + P\Delta V_{CA}[/tex]

You know that the change internal energy from C to A is +100 J (to balance the 200 J loss from A to B and 100 J gain from B to C).

You can also determine the work done from C to A because you are given the pressure and change in volume.

So plug those values in (1) to give you [itex]\Delta Q_{CA}[/itex]

AM
 
thank you!
why was i off? i thought i had this!


so Q = U + W
Q = 100 + (400pascals * (2-1)m^3)
Q= 500 joules?

or is it

Q = 100 - (400pascals * (2-1)m^3)
Q= -300 joules.

which one is right?

thank you!
 
blumfeld0 said:
thank you!
why was i off? i thought i had this!


so Q = U + W
Q = 100 + (400pascals * (2-1)m^3)
Q= 500 joules?

or is it

Q = 100 - (400pascals * (2-1)m^3)
Q= -300 joules.

which one is right?

thank you!

Heat flow out of the gas is negative. Heat flow into the gas is positive. Work done by the gas is positive. Work done on the gas is negative.

So:

[tex]\Delta Q = \Delta U + P\Delta V = +100 + 400 * (-1) = -300 J[/tex]

This means that 300 J of heat flows out of the gas in going from C to A.

AM
 

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