How Do You Calculate Rotations and Time With Uncertainty for Pulsar PSR 1937+21?

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The discussion focuses on calculating rotations and time with uncertainty for the pulsar PSR 1937+21, which rotates every 1.55780644887275 ±3 ms. Participants calculated the number of rotations in 7 days, which is approximately 3.88 × 108, and the time taken for 1,000,000 rotations, resulting in 1.56 × 103 seconds. The uncertainty associated with this calculation was determined to be ±30 picoseconds (ps). The conversation emphasizes the importance of understanding uncertainty in measurements, particularly in introductory physics contexts.

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I feel stupid for asking this, but the book I'm working through doesn't explain it at all, and I want to make sure I am correct.

The book is Fundamentals of Physics, by Halliday. This is problem #16 after the first chapter.

Time standards are now based on atomic clocks.
A promising second standard is based on pulsars, which are rotating neutron stars.
Some rotate at a rate that is highly stable, sending out a radio beacon that sweeps briefly across Earth once with each rotation, like a lighthouse beacon.

Pulsar PSR 1937+21 is an example. It rotates once every 1.55780644887275 ±3 ms, where the trailing ±3 indicates the uncertainty in the last decimal place. It does not mean +-3 ms.

A. How many rotations does PSR 1937+21 make in 7.00 days?
B. How much time does the pulsar take to rotate exactly 1000000 times.
C. What is the associated uncertainty?

My solutions for A and B (please forgive me if my tex isn't very good):

A:
Convert 7 days to ms
7 days \times \frac{24 hr}{1 day} \times \frac{60 min}{1 hr} \times \frac{60 s}{1 min} \times \frac{1000 ms}{1 s} = 604800000 ms

\frac{604800000 ms}{1.55780644887275 ms} = 3.88\times 10^8 rotations

B:
1.55780644887275 ms \times 1000000 = 1.56E6 ms
1.56\times 10^6 ms \times \frac{1 s}{1000 ms} = 1.56\times 10^3 s

C:
This is the part I am not sure about.
My logic is that if the last digit is ±3, that is 14 decimal places. So I took:
3\times 10^{-14} \times 1000000
That gives 3e-8 ms
I wanted to simplify this a bit, so I converted it to seconds:
\frac{3\times 10^{-8}}{1000} = 3\times 10^{-11}
Simplifying it to simpler units:
3\times 10^{-11} \times 1\times 10^12 = 30 ps

Therefore my answer is ±30 ps.

But seriously, the book never mentions uncertainty, so I did the first thing that was logical to me. It seems to have the tendency to ask about things it doesn't discuss, though so far it has only been various common formulas.
 
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Well the well-known formula for the uncertainty on a function f(x1,x2,...xn), where each x has a known uncertainty is:
\sigma^2_f = \sum_{i=1}^{i=n}(\frac{\partial f}{\partial x_i})^2\sigma^2_{x_i}

I'm sure you can apply this to your problem.
 


nicksauce said:
Well the well-known formula for the uncertainty on a function f(x1,x2,...xn), where each x has a known uncertainty is:
\sigma^2_f = \sum_{i=1}^{i=n}(\frac{\partial f}{\partial x_i})^2\sigma^2_{x_i}

I'm sure you can apply this to your problem.

I'm glad you are so confident. I am not. I should note that this is an introductory physics course in college, usually taken by freshmen, and is the first chapter of the book, so I doubt such an equation would be used yet?

all it is is that one rotation's time has the given uncertainty. if that rotation is repeated 1000000 times, wouldn't the uncertainty be multiplied by the same? perhaps not, but the equation seems rather complicated for the problem.

It's a good equation, but I don't know what sigma is, nor F, not to mention I don't have a function to which to apply it...

Thanks for the reply, though.
 


Well the equation is supposed to be completely general. Sigma represents uncertainties, and f is the function on which you know the uncertainty. Here in this case, sigma = 3 * 10^-14s, this is the uncertainty on the variable P (P for period). f is given by f = 1000000P. In this case, yes, the the derived uncertainty is just 1000000 times the uncertainty on P (as one can check, if they wish, by using the formula I gave). In this case, the formula need not be applied and using your intuition is fine.

However, suppose you wanted to find the uncertainty on your answer for part b. To get the correct answer, you would have to use the formula I gave.

I think it is a worthwile formula to be familiar with, especially if you plan on later doing any labs in physics.
 


nicksauce said:
Well the equation is supposed to be completely general. Sigma represents uncertainties, and f is the function on which you know the uncertainty. Here in this case, sigma = 3 * 10^-14s, this is the uncertainty on the variable P (P for period). f is given by f = 1000000P. In this case, yes, the the derived uncertainty is just 1000000 times the uncertainty on P (as one can check, if they wish, by using the formula I gave). In this case, the formula need not be applied and using your intuition is fine.

However, suppose you wanted to find the uncertainty on your answer for part b. To get the correct answer, you would have to use the formula I gave.

I think it is a worthwile formula to be familiar with, especially if you plan on later doing any labs in physics.

Thanks. Well, do I notice correctly there is a partial derivative in there, assuming \partial means partial derivative? I've only gone through calc 1 so far, and we didn't cover anything like that. When I can, I'd love to figure out how to calculate this, though.
 


Calculating partial derivatives is really very simple. You don't need any knowledge passed Cal1 to do so. Simply differentiate with respect to one variable, while holding the others constant. For example, let f(x,y) = x^2y. Then
\frac{\partial f}{\partial x} = 2xy
and
\frac{\partial f}{\partial y} = x^2.
 


truthfinder said:
C:
This is the part I am not sure about.
My logic is that if the last digit is ±3, that is 14 decimal places. So I took:
3\times 10^{-14} \times 1000000
That gives 3e-8 ms
I wanted to simplify this a bit, so I converted it to seconds:
\frac{3\times 10^{-8}}{1000} = 3\times 10^{-11}
Simplifying it to simpler units:
3\times 10^{-11} \times 1\times 10^12 = 30 ps

Therefore my answer is ±30 ps.
You did part C just right. That's all they wanted.
 

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