How Do You Calculate Speed and Force in Skier Physics Problems?

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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving a skier descending a slope and the calculations of speed and force at various stages of her descent. The subject area includes concepts from mechanics, specifically energy conservation, work-energy principles, and frictional forces.

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  • Participants explore energy methods and the work-energy theorem to analyze the skier's motion. Questions arise regarding the calculation of mechanical energy, the effects of friction, and the interpretation of kinetic and potential energy.

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Some participants have provided guidance on using energy principles to approach the problem. There is an ongoing exploration of how to calculate the remaining energy after accounting for friction, and multiple interpretations of the kinetic forces involved are being discussed.

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A skier of mass 61.0 kg starts from rest at the top of a ski slope of height 61.0 m.
a)If frictional forces do −1.04×104 J of work on her as she descends, how fast is she going at the bottom of the slope?

b)Now moving horizontally, the skier crosses a patch of soft snow, where the coefficient of friction is = 0.180. If the patch is of width 68.0 m and the average force of air resistance on the skier is 180 N, how fast is she going after crossing the patch?

c)After crossing the patch of soft snow, the skier hits a snowdrift and penetrates a distance 3.00 m into it before coming to a stop. What is the average force exerted on her by the snowdrift as it stops her?

I have only started attacking part a and i looked at the other parts and do not know where to start.

on part a i started by using the eqquation work = .5 (mass)(velocity^2) but my answer was wrong.
 
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Use energy methods. What's her starting mechanical energy? How much of that energy is "lost" to friction? How much is left when she gets to the bottom of the hill?
 
By the work-energy theorem, 0=\Delta E_{mech}+\Delta E_{therm}
Hence, by for problems with kinetic friction,
W_{ext}=\Delta E_{mech}+\Delta E_{therm} where E_{mech}=\Delta U+\Delta K

where U = potential energy, K = kinetic energy, and therm is the energy lost. You will then be able to find K_{f}=\frac{1}{2}mv_{i}^2
 
in trying this, i tried to find the potential energy which i found to be 36465.8 N by using u= mgy (m=61 kg, g= 9.8 meters per second squared, y= 61 m). in doing that the only unknown i had was velocity and it came out to be 34.57 m/s and that was wrong.. did i mess up?
 
her starting mechanical energy is 0 right?
 
she lost -1.04*10^4 J to friction
 
and i do not know how to calulate how much is left at the bottom
 
\Delat U = K_{f}+\Delta E_{therm} Ok, so you know that E_{therm}=-1.04*10^4 J and you just calculated U. Now, find K_{f}. Then, solve for v_{f}
 
thank you. i got the answer
this is what i did
36465.8=.5*61v^2+1.04*10^4
26065=.5*61*v^2
854.61=v^2
v=29.2
 
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on part b i find the kinetic force to be 107.6 N and the kinetic energy to 26005.52 N. am i correct in thinking that the kinectic force is going to be energy that gets converted into thermal energy?
 
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emeraldempres said:
on part b i find the kinetic force to be 107.6 N
That's the friction force. Don't forget air resistance.
and the kinetic energy to 26005.52 N.
That's the initial KE.
am i correct in thinking that the kinectic force is going to be energy that gets converted into thermal energy?
The work done against the combined force of friction and air resistance will equal the mechanical energy that gets converted to thermal energy.
 

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