How Do You Calculate Standard Entropy at the Melting Point?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the standard entropy at the melting point of a liquid, using given vapor pressure data and specific heat capacity. The melting point is noted as 392.7 K, with a provided Cp value and ΔSvap.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of the Clausius-Clapeyron equation to derive ΔH and ΔS. There are attempts to calculate vapor pressures at different temperatures using a logarithmic equation, leading to questions about the validity of the equation and unit consistency.

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Participants are actively engaging in the calculations and questioning the accuracy of their values for vapor pressures. Some have noted potential errors in the original equations and are seeking clarification on the assumptions made regarding units and constants.

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There is mention of specific constants used in the logarithmic equation depending on the units of pressure, and a preference for not editing original posts after receiving replies to maintain the integrity of the discussion.

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Homework Statement



vapour pressures of a liquid have been measured and fit to the following equation:
Log10 (mmHg) = -3571/T + 6.124
The melting point has been determined to be 392.7 K.
A Cp value given for the liquid is 250 J/mol K
and theΔSvap is 117 J/mol K

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



1.
Calculate the standard entropy of the liquid at the melting point.


2. Homework Equations



3. The Attempt at a Solution

T1= 392.7 K P1 = 0.8045 mmHg (from the equation, giving the vapour pressure of the LIQUID at the melting point).
T2= 298.15 K P2= 1.052E-3 mmHg

From the Clausius Clapeyron:

ln(0.8045/1.052E-3)= ΔH/R*(1/298.15 K - 1/392.7 K)

ΔH/R = 8221.89
ΔH = 68361 J/mol

ΔH/T = ΔS = 68361/392.7 = 174.07 J/mol K

However the answer is about twice this value
 
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I'm getting different values for P1 and P2, based on the equation Log10 (mmHg) = -3571/T + 6.124.

I find that equation particularly annoying because strictly speaking it makes no sense. What is the logarithm of a unit?
 
dauto said:
I find that equation particularly annoying because strictly speaking it makes no sense. What is the logarithm of a unit?
It's OK. The value 6.124 is specific to the assumption that the pressure is measured in mmHg. Different units, different constant. Likewise, the 3571 assume degrees Kelvin.
 
Yes, thank you haruspex, it is Log of the Pressure in mmHG and assuming Kelvin for temperature units
 
DiffusConfuse said:
Yes, thank you haruspex, it is Log of the Pressure in mmHG and assuming Kelvin for temperature units
Good, but I agree with dauto that there's something wrong with your calculation of P1 and P2. If you can't find an error, please post the details of your working.
 
Just noticed an error in the formula I gave. The +6.124 is for the pressure in bar, when I gave it in mmHg.
I will correct it to the given data in mmHg (+8.999)
 
for some reason I cannot edit the formula above, it should be:

Log10 P (mmHg) = -3571/T + 8.999
 
DiffusConfuse said:
for some reason I cannot edit the formula above, it should be:

Log10 P (mmHg) = -3571/T + 8.999
OK, but I don't get your value for ΔH/R from that using your equations. I may well have made a mistake, but perhaps you could check yours.
 
I rechecked it, I get 8222.53 instead of what is listed above, which doesn't change my final answer drastically
 
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DiffusConfuse said:
Yes, thank you haruspex, it is Log of the Pressure in mmHG and assuming Kelvin for temperature units

Yes, I know that. Doesn't keep me from feeling annoyed. It's very poor form.
 
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DiffusConfuse said:
for some reason I cannot edit the formula above

That is for a reason. It is discouraged in this forum to edit your posts after you received replies. This for the simple reason that the other posts will look strange and off-topic if you edited out mistakes from your original post. We prefer that you just post the corrections in a new post and leave the original post as it is.
 

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