Standard entropy of a liquid at melting temperature

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The discussion revolves around the calculation of the standard entropy of a liquid at its melting temperature, specifically at 392.7 K. Participants explore the relationships between vapor pressures, heat capacities, and entropies of phase transitions, including vaporization and sublimation. The conversation includes attempts to verify calculations and clarify the standard reference states for the material.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a calculation for the standard entropy S°(392.7) but finds discrepancies in the results, questioning the methodology used.
  • Another participant asks about the standard reference state of the material, suggesting it is a vapor at 298 K and 1 atm.
  • Some participants clarify that at 298 K, the material is a solid, and they seek confirmation on the standard reference state.
  • There is a discussion regarding the heat of vaporization, with some asserting it is not constant, while others question the implications of the given heat capacity data.
  • Entropy of vaporization is noted to be from liquid to vapor at 460 K, with additional data provided on sublimation entropy.
  • A participant provides a heat capacity equation for the solid between 298 K and 377 K.
  • Another participant suggests a sequence of reversible processes to calculate the change in entropy from solid to liquid, prompting further exploration of additional steps needed for the complete sequence.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the standard reference state being a solid at 298 K and 1 atm, but there are multiple competing views regarding the heat of vaporization and the adequacy of the provided data for solving the problem. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the correct calculation of the standard entropy.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the heat of fusion, the constancy of the heat of vaporization, and the sufficiency of the provided data for calculations. There are unresolved mathematical steps related to the entropy changes across different phases.

DiffusConfuse
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I am presented a review of data which gives:
vapour pressures of a liquid have been measured and fit to the following equation:
Log10 (mmHg) = -3571/T + 8.999
The melting point has been determined to be 392.7 K.
A Cp value given for the liquid is 250 J/mol K
and the ΔSvap is 117 J/mol K

The standard entropy S°(392.7) for the liquid is calculated, although I am unable to recalculate it correctly for verification.


T1= 392.7 K, P1 = 0.8045 mmHg (from the equation, giving the vapour pressure of the LIQUID at the melting point).
T2= 298.15 K, P2= 1.052E-3 mmHg

From the Clausius Clapeyron:

ln(0.8045/1.052E-3)= ΔH/R*(1/298.15 K - 1/392.7 K)

ΔH/R = 8221.89 K-1
ΔH = 68361 J/mol

ΔH/T = ΔS = 68361/298.15 = 229.29 J/mol K

However the answer is S°(392.7) = 350.60 J/mol K.

I tried adding the ΔSvap to the derived value (229.29+117.2) , however that only gives me 346.5 J/mol K
 
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Is the standard reference state of the material a vapor at 298K and a hypothetical pressure of 1 atm?

Chet
 
at 298K it is a solid
 
DiffusConfuse said:
at 298K it is a solid
Is 298K and 1 atm (solid) the standard reference state for this material? The vapor pressure relationship suggests that the heat of vaporization is constant, but yet there is a heat capacity given, implying that the heat of vaporization is not constant? Is there any value given for the heat of fusion? The entropy of vaporization...is that from liquid to vapor? At what temperature? There doesn't seem to be enough information given to solve this problem.

Chet
 
Yes this is the standard reference state of the material. Heat of vaporization is not constant.
The heat of fusion is unknown (no measured data).

The entropy of vaporization is from liquid to vapour at 460 K.

There is also vapour pressure data for the solid-gas; Log10 (mmHg) = -3571/T + 18.279, with entropy of sublimation ΔSsub = 295 J/ mol K at 377 K.
 
DiffusConfuse said:
Yes this is the standard reference state of the material. Heat of vaporization is not constant.
The heat of fusion is unknown (no measured data).

The entropy of vaporization is from liquid to vapour at 460 K.

There is also vapour pressure data for the solid-gas; Log10 (mmHg) = -3571/T + 18.279, with entropy of sublimation ΔSsub = 295 J/ mol K at 377 K.
Is there any heat capacity data on the solid between 298 and 377?
Chet
 
yes, it is 155 + 0.086T - 1.8\times106 T-2 (J/mol K)
 
OK. You're starting out with solid at 298 and 1 atm, and your final state is liquid at 392.7 and 1 atm. You need to dream up a sequence of reversible processes that takes you from state 1 to state 2, and you need to calculate the change in entropy for each of these steps. The first two steps might be:

1. solid at 298 and 1 atm ---> solid at 377 and 1 atm.
2. solid at 377 and 1 atm ----> solid at 377 and equilibrium sublimation pressure at 377

You need to be able to get the change in entropy over each step of the entire sequence.

Can you think of the additional steps to complete the sequence?

Chet
 

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