How Do You Calculate the Curvature K(t) of a Given Curve?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the curvature K(t) of a specific curve defined by the vector function r(t) = (-4sin(t)) i + (-4sin(t)) j + (5cos(t)) k. Participants are exploring the mathematical expressions and operations involved in determining the curvature.

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  • Participants are attempting to compute the curvature using the formula K(t) = |r'(t) x r"(t)| / |r'(t)|^3. They discuss the derivatives r'(t) and r"(t), and the cross product of these vectors. Questions arise regarding the correctness of the cross product calculation and the subsequent magnitude.

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There is an ongoing examination of the cross product and its implications for the curvature calculation. Some participants suggest potential errors in the signs or terms used in the cross product, while others defend the original calculations based on the properties of vector operations. The discussion remains active without a clear consensus on the correct approach.

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Homework Statement


Find the curvature K(t) of the curve r(t) = (-4sin(t)) i + (-4sin(t)) j + (5cos(t)) k.

Homework Equations


K(t) = |r'(t) x r"(t)| / |r'(t)|3

The Attempt at a Solution


r'(t) = (-4cos(t))i + (-4cos(t))j + (-5sin(t))k
r"(t) = (4sin(t))i + 4sin(t))j + (-5cos(t))k
|r'(t)| = sqrt(16cos2(t) + 16cos2(t) + 25sin2(t))
r'(t) x r"(t) = [20cos(t)+20sin(t)]i - [20cos(t) + 20sin(t)]k +0j
|r'(t) x r"(t)| = sqrt([20cos(t)+20sin(t)]^2 + [-20cos(t) - 20sin(t)]^2)
Answer should be:
sqrt([20cos(t)+20sin(t)]^2 + [-20cos(t) - 20sin(t)]^2)/[sqrt(16cos2(t) + 16cos2(t) + 25sin2(t))]3
But it isn't, so I am confused as to what I am doing wrong.
 
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think you added a minus... though i didn't check the original cross product
r'(t) x r"(t) = [20cos(t)+20sin(t)]i - [20cos(t) + 20sin(t)]k +0j
so shouldn't it become
|r'(t) x r"(t)| = sqrt([20cos(t)+20sin(t)]^2 + [20cos(t) + 20sin(t)]^2)
|r'(t) x r"(t)| = sqrt(2[20cos(t)+20sin(t)]^2)
 
I don't think that would be it since the cross product formula says that for the middle number it is subtraction. Besides, it is being squared, even if it is negative the answer which results will be positive.
 
r(t) = (-4sin(t)) i + (-4sin(t)) j + (5cos(t)) k.
r'(t) = (-4cos(t)) i + (-4cos(t)) j + (-5sin(t)) k.
r''(t) = (4sin(t)) i + (4sin(t)) j + (-5cos(t)) k.

ok redoing the cross product you get
|r'(t) x r"(t)| = i(20c^2 + 20s^2) + j(-20s^2 - 20c^2) + k(-16cs +16cs)

which becomes
|r'(t) x r"(t)| = i(1) + j(-1) + k(0)
 

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