How Do You Calculate the Mass and Runway Distance for a Lufthansa A320?

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The problem involves calculating the mass of a Lufthansa A320 and the distance it travels down the runway before lift-off. The context includes the plane's acceleration, thrust from its engines, and the equations of motion relevant to the scenario.

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  • Participants discuss the application of kinematic equations to determine acceleration and mass. There is a focus on understanding the total thrust from the two engines and its relation to the mass calculation. Questions arise regarding the correct formulation of the distance equation.

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Some participants have successfully calculated the mass of the plane, while others are still exploring the correct method to find the distance traveled. Guidance has been offered regarding the total thrust and the correct distance equation, indicating a productive direction in the discussion.

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Participants note potential confusion with units and the formulation of equations, as well as the implications of having two engines on the calculations. There is an acknowledgment of mistakes in the distance equation that need clarification.

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Homework Statement



A Lufthansa A320 accelerates from rest to lift-off speed of 72.99 m/s in 25.00 s. Each of the plane's two jet engines provides a forward force (thrust) of 103.00 kN. What is the mass of the plane?

How far does it travel down the runway before lift-off?

2. Governing equations
Vf=Vi+at
EF=ma
D=Vit+at^2

The Attempt at a Solution


Vf=72.99
Vi=0
a=?
t=25.00s
I used Vf=Vi+at to get a=2.9196
then EF=ma to solve for mass and got 35.27880532 which i was told was wrong i went back and looked at the problem and thought that since the plane has two engines i would double the mass, but it was still wrong. and i tried D=Vit+at^2 for the second problem, but it didn't work either i don't understand what I'm doing wrong. any help would be appreciated
 
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Cole07 said:

The Attempt at a Solution


Vf=72.99
Vi=0
a=?
t=25.00s
I used Vf=Vi+at to get a=2.9196
So far, so good. (Don't forget units.)
then EF=ma to solve for mass and got 35.27880532 which i was told was wrong i went back and looked at the problem and thought that since the plane has two engines i would double the mass, but it was still wrong.
F = ma is the right approach. But what's the total F? There are two engines, each giving their own force. And be careful with units: 1 kN = 1 kilo-N = 1000 N.
 
I think it should read like this:

103kN x 2 = 206kN
206kN = 206000 Newtons (N)

F=ma

206000 N = (m) (2.9196 m/s^2)

m = 206000 N / 2.9196 m/s^2
 
ok i got the mass of the plane to be 70557.61063kg, but i still don't know what I'm doing wrong to get the distance traveled down the runway.
 
d = (1/2)(vi + vf)(t)
 
i got it 912.375m thank you!
 
Cole07 said:
ok i got the mass of the plane to be 70557.61063kg, but i still don't know what I'm doing wrong to get the distance traveled down the runway.

You had a mistake in your distance equation:
D=Vit+at^2
That should be D = Vit + 0.5at^2.
 

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