How Can You Calculate the Length of a Ramp Based on Sliding Time and Friction?

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around calculating the length of a ramp based on the sliding time of a concrete block and the friction involved. The scenario involves a block sliding down a ramp inclined at an angle of 37 degrees, with a given coefficient of kinetic friction.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the application of free-body diagrams and the importance of correctly defining trigonometric relationships in their calculations. There are questions about the accuracy of the original poster's calculations and the potential for errors in interpreting the problem setup.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on checking trigonometric functions and the setup of free-body diagrams. There is an ongoing exploration of the calculations, with no clear consensus on the correctness of the original poster's approach or the values derived from the referenced paper.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the need for clarity in defining the coordinate system and the potential for confusion in the application of sine and cosine functions related to the ramp's angle. There is also mention of discrepancies between the original poster's results and those found in external resources.

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Homework Statement


You are passing a construction site on the way to physics class, and stop to watch for a while. The construction workers appear to be going on a coffee break, and have left a large concrete block resting at the top of a wooden ramp connecting one of the building's upper floors to the ground. As soon as their backs are turned, the block begins to slide and takes about 2 seconds to reach the ground. You wonder how long the ramp is. You estimate the ramp is at an angle of about 37* to the horizontal, and your physics book gives the coefficient of kinetic friction (uk) between concrete and wood as 0.25

Homework Equations


a= F/m
vf=vi+at
vf^2=vi^2+2ax

The Attempt at a Solution


I found that:
Fnety = Fn - Fgy = Fn - mgsin(37) = 0
Fn = mgsin(37)
Fnetx = Ff - Fgx = uk(mg)sin(37) - mgcos(37) = ma
a = uk(g)sin(37) - gcos(37)
a = .25(-9.8)sin(37) + 9.8cos(37)
a = 6.35 m/s^2

vf-vi = at
vf = 6.35(2)
vf = 12.7 m/s

vf^2 - vi^2 = 2ax
12.7^2 = 2(6.35)x
x = 12.7m

I don't understand how this is wrong?
 
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Did you draw a free-body diagram?
Check your trig relations - the angle is measured from the horizontal.
Don't forget to define the x and y directions as part of your working.
 
Simon Bridge said:
Did you draw a free-body diagram?
Check your trig relations - the angle is measured from the horizontal.
Don't forget to define the x and y directions as part of your working.

I did draw a free body diagram and I believe my trig relations are correct.
After further digging I found nearly the exact same question http://courseweb.stthomas.edu/physics/academics/111/Brita/Spring%202012/Unit%202/GP6%20P11%20S12.pdf but when I calculate the velocity with their numbers I still get the wrong velocity?
Edit: As in their paper says vf = 2.5 m/s but I get 80.36 when I plug those exact same numbers into my calculator. Did they do it wrong or am I messing up my calculation somewhere?
 
a= .25(-9.8)sin(37) + 9.8cos(37)
I think you have mixed up your sines and cosines. You need a large, clear diagram to work on, or you probably will get these wrong.

Is the correct answer around 7.5 roughly?
 
I did draw a free body diagram and I believe my trig relations are correct.
Looking at your FBD: if you have theta as the angle of the ramp to the horizontal, and you have defined the +y axis to be upwards and perpendicular to the ramp, then the normal force to the ramp is ##\vec N = \hat\jmath mg\cos\theta##. You may need to redraw your diagram to see this.
 

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