How Do You Calculate the Period of SHM from a Cosine Function?

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The discussion revolves around calculating the period of simple harmonic motion (SHM) from a cosine function representing the displacement of a mass on a spring. The original poster presents a specific equation for displacement and seeks assistance in determining the time for one complete vibration.

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  • Participants explore how to determine the period of the cosine function by analyzing the argument of the cosine and its periodic nature. Questions arise regarding the relationship between angular frequency and period, as well as the implications of the equation provided.

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Some participants have offered insights into the periodicity of the cosine function and how to relate it to the time variable. There is an ongoing exploration of the mathematical relationships involved, with no explicit consensus reached yet.

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The original poster mentions confusion due to the presence of multiple variables in the equations and references a different mass in a similar problem from a textbook. This context may influence the understanding of the problem setup.

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Homework Statement



A 2.30 kg mass on a spring has displacement as a function of time given by the equation

x(t) = (7.40 cm)cos[(4.16)t-2.42]

a) Find the time for one complete vibration.

The back of the book had this same equation but a different mass, so I was able to figure out the answer was 1.51 seconds that way.

This was originally a 10 part question and I can do all the parts after a, but I can't find a.

I tried plugging in "1.00" but that is wrong, and I used that for another part of the question. Equations such as T= 2pi*sqr(k/m) always have two variables, so I don't know what I am doing wrong.

Please help. Thanks.

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You have to figure out how much time elapses when the argument (4.16)t - 2.42 of the cosine function changes by 2 \pi. For example at t = 0, you have cos(-2.42).
What would t be to make the value cos(-2.42 + 2\pi) ?
 
Crusaderking1 said:

Homework Statement



A 2.30 kg mass on a spring has displacement as a function of time given by the equation

x(t) = (7.40 cm)cos[(4.16)t-2.42]

a) Find the time for one complete vibration.

The back of the book had this same equation but a different mass, so I was able to figure out the answer was 1.51 seconds that way.

This was originally a 10 part question and I can do all the parts after a, but I can't find a.

I tried plugging in "1.00" but that is wrong, and I used that for another part of the question. Equations such as T= 2pi*sqr(k/m) always have two variables, so I don't know what I am doing wrong.

Please help. Thanks.

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The Attempt at a Solution



If you have some function x(t) that is periodic, then the period, T, is defined as the time interval such that:

x(t + T) = x(t) (i.e. it is periodic)

So, starting at any given time t, the period T is the time required for the value of the function to return back to the same value it had at time t. So, we want to figure out what value of T satisfies this for the particular function we've been given:

x(t+T) = (7.40 cm)cos[(4.16)(t+T)-2.42] = x(t) = (7.40 cm)cos[(4.16)t-2.42]

It must be true that cos[4.16(t+T) - 2.42] = cos(4.16t - 2.42).

For simplicity, let's pick t = 0 as our example starting value. After T seconds, we want the function to have the same value that it had at t = 0. Therefore, it must be true that:

cos(-2.42) = cos(4.16T - 2.42).

Well, this is true if 4.16T is a multiple of 2pi, since after 2pi radians, the phase of the oscillation (which is the thing you're taking the cosine of) will have gone through one complete cycle, and you'll be back to the same phase angle you started at (-2.42 radians in this case). Therefore, for the first repetition:

4.16T = 2pi

T = 2pi/4.16

So we learned something interesting: the factor which multiplies t in the cosine (which we call the angular frequency ω and which is equal to 4.16 rad/s in this example) is related to the period by the expression T = 2pi/ω. This makes sense, because ω is the rate at which you accumlate "phase" with time, and after one period T, you have accumulated a full cycle's worth of phase, hence ωT = 2pi. So, you can tell at a glance (just by looking at the SHM function) what ω is, and therefore what T is.

For a spring, it turns out that ω = √(k/m), but you didn't need to use that information here, since you were already given ω.
 
cepheid said:
If you have some function x(t) that is periodic, then the period, T, is defined as the time interval such that:

x(t + T) = x(t) (i.e. it is periodic)

So, starting at any given time t, the period T is the time required for the value of the function to return back to the same value it had at time t. So, we want to figure out what value of T satisfies this for the particular function we've been given:

x(t+T) = (7.40 cm)cos[(4.16)(t+T)-2.42] = x(t) = (7.40 cm)cos[(4.16)t-2.42]

It must be true that cos[4.16(t+T) - 2.42] = cos(4.16t - 2.42).

For simplicity, let's pick t = 0 as our example starting value. After T seconds, we want the function to have the same value that it had at t = 0. Therefore, it must be true that:

cos(-2.42) = cos(4.16T - 2.42).

Well, this is true if 4.16T is a multiple of 2pi, since after 2pi radians, the phase of the oscillation (which is the thing you're taking the cosine of) will have gone through one complete cycle, and you'll be back to the same phase angle you started at (-2.42 radians in this case). Therefore, for the first repetition:

4.16T = 2pi

T = 2pi/4.16

So we learned something interesting: the factor which multiplies t in the cosine (which we call the angular frequency ω and which is equal to 4.16 rad/s in this example) is related to the period by the expression T = 2pi/ω. This makes sense, because ω is the rate at which you accumlate "phase" with time, and after one period T, you have accumulated a full cycle's worth of phase, hence ωT = 2pi. So, you can tell at a glance (just by looking at the SHM function) what ω is, and therefore what T is.

For a spring, it turns out that ω = √(k/m), but you didn't need to use that information here, since you were already given ω.



Thank you very much for your informative and helpful feedback. You also cleared up any confusion I had on the phases.
 
Stephen Tashi said:
You have to figure out how much time elapses when the argument (4.16)t - 2.42 of the cosine function changes by 2 \pi. For example at t = 0, you have cos(-2.42).
What would t be to make the value cos(-2.42 + 2\pi) ?

That does make sense, thanks for your help.
 

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