How Do You Convert Arcseconds to Meters for Calculating Celestial Masses?

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The discussion revolves around estimating the mass of an object at the center of the Galaxy using the orbit of the star S2, which involves converting a semi-major axis given in arcseconds to meters. The problem also includes placing a limit on the density of the central object.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the conversion of the semi-major axis from arcseconds to meters, questioning the necessity of this conversion and the method to achieve it. Some suggest using the known distance to the Galactic Center to facilitate the conversion.

Discussion Status

Some participants have expressed progress in solving part (a) of the problem, while others are still grappling with part (b), indicating a mix of understanding and uncertainty. There is acknowledgment of the need to clarify how the distance to the Galactic Center applies to the specific orbit of S2.

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Participants note that the distance to the Galactic Center is assumed to be 8 kpc, which raises questions about its applicability to the calculations involving S2's orbit. The requirement for the final density to be expressed in MSUN pc-3 is also highlighted as a point of confusion.

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Homework Statement


By mapping the star S2 close to Galactic Centre, the orbit is found to have a semi-major axis of 0.119 arcsec , an inclination of 46^{o}, an orbital period of 15.2 years, an eccentricity of 0.87 and a pericentre separation of 0.0155.
a) Estimate the mass of object at the centre of the Galaxy.
b) Place a limit on the density.

Edit: For a) told to assume distance to galactic centre is 8kpc.

Homework Equations



T^{2} = \frac{4\pi^{2}}{GM} \alpha^{3}

The Attempt at a Solution


The problem I have is using the semimajor axis in the calculation. It's given in arcsec but (I assume) it's needed in m. How do you convert? All attempts I made, using trig, gave me the wrong answer. Do I need to convert? How would I go about it?
 
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Perhaps if you know the distance to the Galactic Center over which the specified angles are observed you could convert them to a distance.
 
Just added an edit. We are told to assume the distance to galactic centre is 8kpc.

Ok. Very silly of me. Worked it out perfectly. Thanks for the push in the right direction!

I can't however work the second bit out. It's wanted in M_{SUN} pc^{-3} but I just don't know where to start.
 
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tomeatworld said:
Just added an edit. We are told to assume the distance to galactic centre is 8kpc.

Ok. Very silly of me. Worked it out perfectly. Thanks for the push in the right direction!

I can't however work the second bit out. It's wanted in M_{SUN} pc^{-3} but I just don't know where to start.

Well, let's see. You've worked out a mass for the central object in part (a), and the orbit of the star would seem to describe certain limits to the area enclosed by that orbit...
 
The 8kpc is for the Suns orbit. How can you use that for S2's orbit?
 
tomeatworld said:
The 8kpc is for the Suns orbit. How can you use that for S2's orbit?

I thought you'd solved part (a)? What did you use for "a" in your period equation? What would be the pericentre separation?
 
So using the pericentre (is that the right point?) you can get the closest approach to the black hole. Then assuming a sphere get the volume etc etc.

I used the semimajor axis in a).
 
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So using the pericentre (is that the right point?) you can get the closest approach to the black hole. Then assuming a sphere get the volume etc etc.

I used the semimajor axis in a).

Yes, the pericentre separation is the distance of closest approach of the star to the galactic centre. And yes, this pericentre distance will give you a upper bound on the volume of whatever it is that's inside that distance.
 
Ok, thanks! Sorts everything out I think!
 

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