How Do You Derive the Kinematic Equation \(v_f^2 = v_i^2 + 2ad\)?

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The discussion revolves around deriving the kinematic equation \(v_f^2 = v_i^2 + 2ad\), which is a fundamental concept in kinematics. Participants are exploring various approaches to achieve this derivation, including the use of other kinematic equations.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to replace variables from other kinematic equations and considers taking derivatives, but expresses confusion over the process. Other participants question whether the derivation should start from first principles and discuss using known equations to facilitate the derivation.

Discussion Status

Some participants have offered guidance on solving for time in one equation and substituting it into another to derive the desired equation. There is an acknowledgment of the original poster's confusion regarding the term "derive" and its implications in the context of their background in mathematics.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original poster is allowed to use any kinematic equations or principles in their derivation, which may influence their approach to the problem.

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Homework Statement



Derive (v_f)^2 = (v_i)^2 +2ad


Homework Equations



(v_f)^2 = (v_i)^2 + 2ad
(v_f) = (v_i) + at
d = (v_i)t + \frac{1}{2}at^2


The Attempt at a Solution



I have attempted to replace the variables with others from other kinematic equations such as v_f = v_i + at. However, I am getting no where. I have also taken the derivative of the equation (or so I think) but if I have not done it correctly, then I am just going no where.

When taking the derivative of the equation (v_f^2 = v_i^2 + 2ad) I remembered dv/dt = a , a in this equation is constant, and dd/dt = v, thus I got 2a=2a+2v and once simplified brings me to 0=v? I feel I am deriving the equation incorrectly.

Now, after having exhausted my thoughts, I've come asking for help.
 
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Are you supposed to derive the equation from first principles? What i mean is are you allowed to use:

[tex]d = (v_i)t + \frac{1}{2}at^2[/tex]
 
Yes. I can use any type of equation. And any principles. I'm just at a loss as to how to get started. I should be fine with a little nudge in the right direction.
 
Lego said:
Yes. I can use any type of equation. And any principles. I'm just at a loss as to how to get started. I should be fine with a little nudge in the right direction.

You can solve for t, in the equation vf = v0 + at... then substitute t into the d equation posted, that will give you the result.
 
learningphysics said:
You can solve for t, in the equation vf = v0 + at... then substitute t into the d equation posted, that will give you the result.

Thank you. I've got it now. I had returned to using the other equations, but the word "derive" kept making my brain do derivatives. I guess that's what I get for being a math minor and taking as few physics classes as possible.

Thank you, again.
 
Lego said:
Thank you. I've got it now. I had returned to using the other equations, but the word "derive" kept making my brain do derivatives. I guess that's what I get for being a math minor and taking as few physics classes as possible.

Thank you, again.

no prob.
 

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