How Do You Determine Matrix A from Phi(t) in Linear Control Theory?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around determining the matrix A from the state transition matrix Phi(t) in the context of linear control theory. Participants are exploring the relationship between Phi(t) and A, particularly through the use of matrix exponentials and logarithms.

Discussion Character

  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents the state transition matrix Phi(t) and expresses the need to find matrix A using the relation Phi(t) = e^(At).
  • Another participant suggests taking the natural logarithm of Phi(t) to isolate A, proposing ln(Phi(t)) = At.
  • A question is raised about how to handle ln(0) terms in the context of matrix logarithms.
  • There is a clarification that the logarithm of a matrix is not simply the logarithm of its entries, prompting a discussion about the correct approach to finding the matrix logarithm.
  • One participant mentions the need to find the eigenvectors of Phi(t) and suggests a method involving the eigenvector matrix V, but expresses uncertainty due to Phi(t) not being diagonalizable.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the approach to finding A, with some focusing on the logarithm of the matrix and others questioning the diagonalizability of Phi(t). The discussion remains unresolved regarding the best method to proceed.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations noted regarding the properties of the matrix Phi(t), particularly its diagonalizability, which affects the proposed methods for finding A. Additionally, the handling of ln(0) terms introduces further complexity.

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Homework Statement


So the first part of the problem asks us to solve for the state transition matrix, which I found to be:

Phi(t) = [2 0 0; (2-e^-t) e^-t 0; 0 0 e^-2t];
I need to find the matrix A, which I assume can be done with the following relation:

Phit(t) = e^(At)

where A is also a matrix

Homework Equations


Need to solve for A. Not sure how to solve this and what properties hold when matrices are concerned.

The Attempt at a Solution



I initially thought to diagonlize Phi(t) but didnt really get anywhere.
 
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aznkid310 said:

Homework Statement


So the first part of the problem asks us to solve for the state transition matrix, which I found to be:

Phi(t) = [2 0 0; (2-e^-t) e^-t 0; 0 0 e^-2t];
I need to find the matrix A, which I assume can be done with the following relation:

Phit(t) = e^(At)

where A is also a matrix


Homework Equations


Need to solve for A. Not sure how to solve this and what properties hold when matrices are concerned.


The Attempt at a Solution



I initially thought to diagonlize Phi(t) but didnt really get anywhere.

If Phi(t) = eAt, then ln(Phi(t)) = At.

See this wikipedia article on the logarithm of a matrix.
 
Thanks for the reply Mark44. How do we deal with the ln(0) terms?
 
The log of a matrix is not just the log of the entries in the matrix. Is that what you're trying to do?

The link I provided shows some examples of finding the log of a matrix.
 
Yes that's what I thought. Reading a little furthur, it seems that I should find the eigenvectors of phi(t), then do: ln(phi(t)) = V*ln(inv(V)*phi(t)*V)*inv(V), where V is the matrix of eigenvectors. But phi(t) is not diagonalizable, so I don't know how to proceed from here.
 
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