How do you differentiate x^{1/x} using the power rule and chain rule?

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The discussion revolves around the differentiation of the function \( y = x^{1/x} \). Participants explore various methods to differentiate this expression, including the application of the power rule and chain rule, as well as implicit differentiation. The conversation includes attempts to rewrite the function in different forms to facilitate differentiation.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the maximum value of \( \sqrt[x]{x} \) occurs at \( x = e \) and seeks to differentiate \( y = x^{1/x} \).
  • Another participant suggests rewriting \( y = x^{1/x} \) in the form \( y = \exp(f(x)) \) to aid in differentiation.
  • A different participant provides a formula for differentiating \( u^v \) using the power rule, indicating the complexity of the differentiation process.
  • Some participants express skepticism about the utility of memorizing the power rule, suggesting that understanding underlying principles may be more beneficial.
  • There are mentions of using implicit differentiation and logarithmic properties to approach the differentiation of \( y = x^{1/x} \).
  • One participant challenges the idea that a less general rule could be more useful than the power rule, prompting a discussion on the merits of different differentiation techniques.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the best method for differentiating \( y = x^{1/x} \). There are competing views on the utility of different differentiation rules and approaches, and the discussion remains unresolved regarding the most effective technique.

Contextual Notes

Some participants reference specific differentiation rules and their applications, but there is no agreement on the assumptions or limitations of these methods. The discussion includes various interpretations of how to apply these rules to the function in question.

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I was looking at results of different numbers in the equation [tex]\sqrt[x]{x}[/tex] and found out that the biggest result came when it was [tex]\sqrt[e]{e}[/tex]. I know this can be re-written as [tex]x^{1/x}[/tex] and that the gradient would be 0 at x = e. How would you differentiate y = [tex]x^{1/x}[/tex], I can't seem to do it using any of the laws I know.
 
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Find a function [itex]f(x)[/itex] that let's you rewrite [itex]y=x^{1/x}[/itex] in the form [itex]y=\exp(f(x))[/itex].
 
I don't see how that works but I'll give it a go.
 
use the power rule
[u^v]'=v*[u^(v-1)]*u'+[u^v]*[log(u)]*v'
 
Rather than committing the power rule to memory, I find it much easier to remember a couple simple facts which happen to be of use in a lot of other places,
  1. [tex]\frac{d}{dx}\left(e^{f(x)}\right) = e^{f(x)}\,f'(x)[/tex]
  2. [tex]f(x) = e^{\ln f(x)}\;\Rightarrow\;u(x)^{v(x)} = e^{v(x)\,\ln u(x)}[/tex]
and thus

[tex] \aligned<br /> \frac{d}{dx}\left(u(x)^{v(x)}\right)<br /> &= \frac{d}{dx}\left(e^{v(x)\,\ln u(x)}\right) \\<br /> &= e^{v(x)\,\ln u(x)}\frac d {dx}\left(v(x)\,\ln u(x)\right) \\<br /> &= u(x)^{v(x)}\left(v'(x)\,\ln u(x) + \frac{v(x)\,u'(x)}{u(x)}\right)[/tex]
 
D H said:
Find a function [itex]f(x)[/itex] that let's you rewrite [itex]y=x^{1/x}[/itex] in the form [itex]y=\exp(f(x))[/itex].

Equivalently, if y= x1/x, then ln(y)= (1/x)ln(x). Use "implicit differentiation".
 
HallsofIvy said:
Equivalently, if y= x1/x, then ln(y)= (1/x)ln(x). Use "implicit differentiation".

or just use it on
y^x=x
 
D H said:
Rather than committing the power rule to memory, I find it much easier to remember a couple simple facts which happen to be of use in a lot of other places,

How is a less general rule more useful?

The power rule is easy to recall since it follows from other rules
first remember the right hand side
[u^v]'
next use the chain rule (C is a constant)
[u^v]'=[u^C]'|C=v+[C^v]'|C=u
now recall
[x^C]'=C*[x^(C-1)]
or using the chain rule
[u^C]'=C*[u^(C-1)]*u'
and
[C^x]'=[C^x]*log(C)
or using the chain rule
[C^v]'=[C^v]*log(C)*v'
inserting these into
[u^v]'=[u^C]'|C=v+[C^v]'|C=u
yeilds
[u^v]'=C*[u^(C-1)]*u'|C=v+[C^v]'+[C^v]*log(C)*v'|C=u
[u^v]'=v*[u^(v-1)]*u'+[u^v]*log(u)*v'
 

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