How Do You Find the Basis and Equation for Specific Subspaces in R^3?

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The discussion revolves around finding the basis and equations for specific subspaces in R^3. The original poster presents two problems: the first involves determining an equation for the space generated by a given set of vectors, and the second requires finding a set of vectors that can represent a defined subspace as linear combinations.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the concept of linear combinations and the implications of defining a subspace through equations. There are attempts to express vectors in terms of parameters and to find relationships between them. Questions arise regarding the meaning of certain variables and the methods to derive equations for the spaces.

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Some participants have offered guidance on using parameterization and the cross product to find the normal vector for the plane. There is ongoing exploration of how to express the relationships between the variables and the implications of the equations provided. Multiple interpretations of the problems are being discussed without a clear consensus.

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The original poster expresses uncertainty about the requirements of the problems and the meaning of certain terms, indicating a need for clarification on the concepts involved. There is also mention of homework constraints that may limit the approaches taken.

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Homework Statement



-Problem number 1

Given the set {u ,v} , where u=(1,2,1) and v=(0,-1,3) in R^3 find an equation for the space generated by this set.

-Problem number 2

The subspace S is defined as S= {(x,y,z) : x + 2y - z =0}
find a set B={u,v} in R^3 such that each vector in S is a linear combination of vectors in B.

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I have no idea how to solve problem number 2.

I don't know how to find an equation for the space in problem one

I started the problem like this (a,b,c) =(1,2,1)x + (0,-1,3)y

and then I found x and y in terms of a and b. but I don't have an idea what is meant to find an equation for the space.

I would appreciate some help, thanks a lot.
 
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  1. How about su+tv for real s and t?
  2. Find two vectors in the plane. To do this, try z=0, et cetera...
 
algebrat said:
  1. How about su+tv for real s and t?
  2. Find two vectors in the plane. To do this, try z=0, et cetera...

the answer for the first problem is 7x -3y -z = 0 but I don't know how to solve for that

what do you mean s and t?
 
Jimmy84 said:
the answer for the first problem is 7x -3y -z = 0 but I don't know how to solve for that

what do you mean s and t?

  1. s and t would give the parametrized version of the plane. To get the implicit version they give, try the cross product, which gives the normal.
 
Jimmy84 said:
-Problem number 2

The subspace S is defined as S= {(x,y,z) : x + 2y - z =0}
find a set B={u,v} in R^3 such that each vector in S is a linear combination of vectors in B.
If you have three variables and only one equation, you can solve for one variable in terms of the others. For example, if you had x-2y-3z=0, you could solve for x and get x=2y+3z. Now let y=s and z=t, where s and t are your free parameters, so you have
\begin{align*}
x &= 2s + 3t \\
y &= s \\
z &= t
\end{align*} Can you see how to write those three equations as one vector equation?
 

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