How Do You Find the First and Second Derivatives of These Functions?

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The original poster is attempting to find the first and second derivatives of several functions, specifically focusing on rational and polynomial expressions. The functions include X^2/(X^2-16), 1+X/1-X, and X^3(X-2)^2.

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  • Participants discuss the application of the quotient rule and other derivative rules. There are inquiries about the general form of the derivative of a quotient of functions, as well as specific calculations for the derivatives of the given functions.

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Some participants are providing calculations for the derivatives and checking each other's work. There is an ongoing exploration of the second derivatives, with one participant expressing uncertainty about their results. The discussion is active, with attempts to clarify and verify the steps taken.

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There is a mention of a typographical error regarding the function definitions, which may affect the calculations. Participants are also navigating through the complexities of applying derivative rules correctly.

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Homework Statement


Just trying to find the first and second derivatives.

X^2/(X^2-16)

1+X/1-X

X^3(X-2)^2

Homework Equations


Quotient Rule/Power Rule/Chain Rule


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For the first one, what is the derivative of f(x)/g(x)? In general, not for this specific function.
 
(g(x)*f'(x)-f(x)*g'(x))/g(x)^2
 
okay, so if f(x) = x^2 and g(x) = x^-2, what is the derivative of f(x)/g(x)?
 
f(x) = x^2 and g(x) = x^-2
x^2/x^-2
((x^-2)(2x)-(-2x)(x^2))/ (x^2)^2
 
I mistyped (that g(x) should have been g(x)=x^2 - 16 [not sure how I messed that one up]), but you seem to know what you're doing. What specific question do you have?
 
I'm mostly having trouble with the second derivatives.
 
What do you have so far? Where are you getting stuck?
 
Well here's what I've got, I think they're right but I'm not sure.

f(x)=X^2/(x^2-16)
(X^2-16)(2X)-(X^2)(2X)/(X^2-16)^2
f'(x)=-32X^2/(X^2-16)^2
(X^4-32X^2+256)(-64X)-(-32X^2)(4X^3-64X)/(X^4-32X^2+256)^2
-64x^5+2048X^3-16384X+128X^5-2048X^3
f''(x)=64X^5-16384X/(X^4-32X^2+256)^2

f(x)=1+x/1-X
(1-X)(1)-(1+X)(-1)/(1-X)^2
f'(x)=2-2X/(1-X)^2
(X^2-2X+1)(-2)-(2X-2)(2-2X)/(X^2-2X+1)^2
f''(x)=2X^2+4X+2/(X^2-2X+1)^2

f(x)=X^3(X-2)^2

(X^3)(2X-4)+(3X^2)(X-2)^2
2X^4-4X^3+3X^4-12X^3+12X^2
f'(x)=5X^4-16X^3+12X^2
5X^4-16^3+12X^2
f''(x)=20X^3-48X^2+24X
 
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Am I doing these correctly?
 

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