How Do You Find the Gradient Vector from a Directional Derivative?

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The discussion revolves around finding the gradient vector from a directional derivative in the context of multivariable calculus. The original poster presents a problem involving the directional derivative and attempts to express the gradient in terms of its partial derivatives.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the relationship between the gradient vector and the directional derivative, noting that the equation leads to a sum of partial derivatives. Questions arise regarding the uniqueness of the gradient vector and the need for additional conditions to solve for it uniquely.

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Participants are exploring the implications of the equation derived from the directional derivative. There is acknowledgment that multiple gradient vectors can satisfy the given condition, and some suggest that more information is necessary to reach a unique solution. The conversation reflects a mix of attempts to clarify the problem and explore the limitations of the information provided.

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There is an emphasis on the need for additional conditions to determine a unique gradient vector, highlighting the limitations of the current information available in the problem statement.

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Homework Statement


[tex]D_{u}(f)(a,b) = \triangledown f(a,b)\cdot u[/tex]

[tex]D_{(\frac{1}{\sqrt2}, \frac{1}{\sqrt2})}(f)(a,b) = 3 \sqrt{2}[/tex]

where [tex]u = (\frac{1}{\sqrt2}, \frac{1}{\sqrt2})[/tex]

find [tex]\bigtriangledown f(a.b)[/tex]

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



first you change grad f into it's partial derivative form and then take the dot product:

(df/dx, df/dy).(1/root2, 1/root2) = 3root2

you'll find that:

df/dx + df/dy = 6

where would I go from here? quite confused.
 
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ilyas.h said:

Homework Statement


[tex]D_{u}(f)(a,b) = \triangledown f(a,b)\cdot u[/tex]

[tex]D_{(\frac{1}{\sqrt2}, \frac{1}{\sqrt2})}(f)(a,b) = 3 \sqrt{2}[/tex]

where [tex]u = (\frac{1}{\sqrt2}, \frac{1}{\sqrt2})[/tex]

find [tex]\bigtriangledown f(a.b)[/tex]

Homework Equations

The Attempt at a Solution



first you change grad f into it's partial derivative form and then take the dot product:

(df/dx, df/dy).(1/root2, 1/root2) = 3root2

you'll find that:

df/dx + df/dy = 6

where would I go from here? quite confused.

There are infinitely many different gradient vectors that satisfy the given condition. You need more conditions in order to get a unique answer.
 
Ray Vickson said:
There are infinitely many different gradient vectors that satisfy the given condition. You need more conditions in order to get a unique answer.

so is my solution complete? if not, where would I obtain more equations to make the conditions more robust?

you could say that:

grad f(6-y, y) . (1/root2, 1/root2) = 3root2
 
ilyas.h said:
so is my solution complete? if not, where would I obtain more equations to make the conditions more robust?

you could say that:

grad f(6-b, b) . (1/root2, 1/root2) = 3root2

You cannot pull more information out of the air; somebody has to give it to you. If they do not give you more information, you have gone as far as you can go.
 
Ray Vickson said:
You cannot pull more information out of the air; somebody has to give it to you. If they do not give you more information, you have gone as far as you can go.

great, so df/dx + df/dy = 6 is the final solution?

sorry for bugging you, this question is quite important to me.
 
ilyas.h said:
great, so df/dx + df/dy = 6 is the final solution?

sorry for bugging you, this question is quite important to me.

Asked and answered.
 

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