How do you find the phase difference when given two sine equations and a X and t

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The discussion revolves around finding the phase difference between two sine wave equations, specifically in the context of waves on a string. The original poster presents two equations with the same amplitude but different wave numbers and angular frequencies, seeking clarification on how to determine the phase difference given specific values of position and time.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the implications of differing frequencies on phase difference, with one suggesting an expansion of the sine equations to include phase constants. Questions arise regarding the interpretation of the phase constant and its role in calculating the phase difference.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the relationship between the phase difference and the phase constants in the equations. Some participants express confusion over their calculations and seek further clarification on how to correctly compute the phase difference, particularly in converting between radians and degrees.

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Participants mention the need for additional resources on superposition and standing waves, indicating a broader struggle with the topic. There is also a reference to specific numerical values and calculations that have led to confusion, highlighting the complexity of the problem.

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ok, I would just like to know in general b/c we have to do this a lot.
The equations have the same amplitude, but different k and w
suppose you have y1 = Asin(k1x-w1t) and y2 = Asin(k2-w2t)

and only other information is they are on a string, at a point x, and a time t.

side note anyone know any good websites for help with superposition and standing waves b/c this section I am struggling with : /
 
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If the frequencies are different then the phase difference will also vary with position and time. Your two equations are not quite general, They assume the waves are in phase at x=0, t=0. So let's expand them to sin(kix+wit+ci).
At a given x and t, the phases are kix+wit+ci. So the phase difference is simply the difference of those two quantities (but you probably want to reduce that modulo 2π).
 
haruspex said:
If the frequencies are different then the phase difference will also vary with position and time. Your two equations are not quite general, They assume the waves are in phase at x=0, t=0. So let's expand them to sin(kix+wit+ci).
At a given x and t, the phases are kix+wit+ci. So the phase difference is simply the difference of those two quantities (but you probably want to reduce that modulo 2π).

Thanks for the help. but I still have a question, What do you mean by ci? b/c I thought I could get the answer by subtracting the difference of the two -> kix+wi , but I get totally the wrong answer. I get 9 radians and the answer is 152 degrees. So I would suppose that variable ci is what I am missing. so if you could explain it, I would be grateful!

and I suppose c is the phase constant, but how would you solve for it in this situation
 
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randoreds said:
I get 9 radians and the answer is 152 degrees.
As I said:
haruspex said:
(but you probably want to reduce that modulo 2π)
 
sorry, I am terrible at physics. I get 20(5) -32(2) = 36, 25(5) - 40(2) = 45, 45 - 36 = 9 radians if you convert that to degrees, pi/20.

therefore, I have no idea how to get to the answer from there. any n2pi won't give me 152 radians. I get like 171 or 351.

It might be simple, but how do you get from my answer to the right one?
 
randoreds said:
9 radians if you convert that to degrees, pi/20.
To convert radians to degrees, multiply by 180/pi.
 
oh, I can't believe I was making that mistake. thank you so much.
 

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