How do you find the Probability Generating Function?

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The discussion revolves around finding the probability generating function for a branching process with specified branching probabilities. The original poster expresses confusion regarding the derivation of the generating function from the given probabilities.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the formulation of the probability generating function using a series expansion and geometric series. Questions arise about specific terms in the series and the implications of subtracting certain values from the generating function.

Discussion Status

Several participants provide insights into the structure of the generating function and engage in clarifying the steps involved. There is an ongoing exploration of different interpretations and calculations related to the generating function, with no explicit consensus reached.

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Some participants question the assumptions regarding the values of probabilities and the limits of the series, indicating potential gaps in the information provided. There is mention of upcoming exams, suggesting a time constraint influencing the discussion.

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Homework Statement



Consider a branching process with branching probabilities given by P0=1/2 and Pj=1/3[tex]^{j}[/tex] for j [tex]\geq[/tex] 1

Find the probability generating function: [tex]\sum^{\infty}_{n=0} p_{n}x^{n}[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



Now, the answer is supposed to be G(x) = (x+3)/(2(3-x)), but I really have no idea how to get this answer. I've checked it up on the internet and haven't found anything that looks even vaguely helpful, and since I'm only meeting my tutor later in the week I'm pretty much stuck on my own for this one. Is there some sort of formula you can use to find the probability generating function? If possible, could you please show me how to get that answer from the given data?


Thanks in advance.
 
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[tex]G(x) = \frac {1}{2} + \frac {1}{3} x + \frac {1}{9} x^{2} + \frac {1}{27} x^{3} + ...[/tex]

[tex]1 + \frac {1}{3} x + \frac {1}{9} x^{2} + \frac {1}{27} x^{3} + ... = \frac {1}{1 - \frac {x}{3}} = \frac {3}{3 - x }[/tex]

[tex]G(x) = \frac {3} {3-x} - \frac {1}{2} = \frac {x+3}{2(3-x)}[/tex]
 
Thanks for the quick reply! I just have two questions: In the second line, is it supposed to be 1/2 or 1? And in the third line, you're basically just subtracting the p0 value from G(x) right?

Thanks for the help.
 
Orphen89 said:
Thanks for the quick reply! I just have two questions: In the second line, is it supposed to be 1/2 or 1? And in the third line, you're basically just subtracting the p0 value from G(x) right?

Thanks for the help.

The second line is a geometric series. But it's 1/2 more than what we want.
 
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Sorry I just have one more question - does this mean that for p0= 1/3, p1=1/4, p2=1/6 and pn=1/2^n that the probability generating function is equal to -(7x-6)/(4(x-2)) + 1/3 + (1/4)x + (1/6)x^2?

Also, if it is incorrect, could someone please show me the correct method? For some reason I'm having a fair bit of difficulty getting my mind around this...

Thanks in advance.
 
Are you saying that [tex]p_{n}= (\frac {1}{2})^{n}[/tex] for n > 2?

Then your answer is correct if [tex]\sum^{\infty}_{3}p_{n}x^{n} = -\frac {7x-6}{4(x-2)}[/tex]

but that's not what I'm getting
 
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Sorry about that! I forgot about that part - it is pn=1/2^n for n [tex]\geq[/tex] 3. Thanks for all the help Random Variable, I appreciate it (all this Generating Function stuff is going to be on an exam coming up in a few weeks...)
 
I'm getting [tex]\frac {x^{3}}{4(2-x)}[/tex]
 
Really? I think you might be right, because I can remember hearing that that was the answer...

I originally thought that (using the data), I could create a probability generating function with a/(1-a) - 1/3 - 1/4 - 1/6, with a = x/2

Do you know where I have gone wrong, (or if I even have the right equation...?) >_<
 
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see below
 
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We know [tex]1 + \frac {1}{2} x + \frac {1}{4} x^{2} + \frac {1}{8} x^{3} + \frac {1}{16}x^{4} + ... = \frac {1}{1 - \frac {x}{2}}[/tex] (infinite geometric series with common ratio x/2 and first term of 1)

What we want is [tex]\frac {1}{8} x^{3} + \frac {1}{16} x^{4} + \frac {1}{32}x^5+ ...[/tex]

so subtract the terms we don't want

[tex]\frac {1}{1 - \frac {x}{2}} - 1 - \frac {1}{2}x - \frac {1}{4}x^2[/tex]
 
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As a side note, to find the mean of a discrete probability distribution, take the derivative of the associated probability generating function and evaluate it at x=1.
 
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Wow, I think I finally understand how to do it now. Thanks for all the help Random Variable, you managed to explain the probability generating function to me better than my tutor =D
 
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And if you take the second derivative of a probability generating function and evaluate it at x=1, you'll get

[tex]E(X(X-1)) = E(X^{2}) - E(X) = E(X^{2}) - \mu[/tex]

and since [tex]V(X) = E[(X- \mu)^{2}] = E(X^{2}) - \mu^2[/tex]

[tex]V(X) = E(X(X-1)) + \mu -\mu^{2}[/tex]
 

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