How do you know when to use integration by parts on a problem?

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The discussion revolves around the technique of integration by parts in calculus, specifically focusing on when it is appropriate to use this method for solving integrals. Participants explore theoretical aspects, practical examples, and personal insights related to the application of integration by parts.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to determine when to use integration by parts, referencing a textbook guideline about products of powers of x and transcendental functions.
  • Another participant describes integration as somewhat unpredictable, suggesting that familiarity and practice with different types of integrals can help identify when to apply integration by parts.
  • A participant suggests that integrating polynomials multiplied by known functions or using recursive relationships can indicate the usefulness of integration by parts.
  • One participant emphasizes the importance of practicing problems to develop an intuition for when integration by parts is beneficial, particularly when the derivative of a function simplifies the integral.
  • Specific examples are provided, such as integrating arcsin(x) * x / sqrt(1-x^2) and ln(x), illustrating how integration by parts can be applied in these cases.

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Participants generally agree that practice and familiarity with various integration techniques are crucial for recognizing when to use integration by parts. However, there is no consensus on a definitive method for determining its applicability, as opinions vary on the nature of integrals and the conditions that suggest using this technique.

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Some limitations include the reliance on personal experience and intuition, which may vary among participants. The discussion does not resolve the ambiguity surrounding the identification of suitable integrals for integration by parts.

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This a techniques of integration question, and I'm wondering how do you know when to use integration by parts on a problem?

My book says this bout the Integration by parts procedure. If f(x) is a product of a power of x and transcendental function then we try integration by parts.

Can someone please show me examples of problems?
 
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Integration is kind of like black magic. There are times when it's obvious, for example, whenever you have a polynomial multiplied by something you know how to integrate, just keep differentiating the polynomial until it goes away

Or if you have something multiplied by cosine or sine, you can usually differentiate the something and integrate the trig function twice to get a formula for the integral in terms of itself (which can then be solved).

Whenever you want to prove a recursive relationship about integrals involving a parameter of a natural number somewhere, you integrate by parts.

There's no real tried and true method for determining how to find an integral, a lot of it is just practice and familiarity with which kinds of techniques work when
 
Thanks I think I have a better understanding.
 
Do every problem in your book and you will get a better feel for when it is useful. When the derivative of a function is easier to deal with than the original function, it is useful.
 
-Suppose you want to integrate something like arcsinx* x/Sqrt(1-x^2)dx
1) recognise that x/Sqrt(1-x^2) is in fact derivative of -Sqrt(1-x^2)
2) Then You have in the integral -arcsinx*d(Sqrt(1-x^2)dx
3)Using partial integration you then have
-arcsinx*Sqrt(1-x^2)+integral Sqrt(1-x^2)/Sqrt(1-x^2)dx=-arcsinx*Sqrt(1-x^2)+x + C
I believe that in this example you can see the beaty and the advantage of partial integration:)
-Integrate ln(x)dx=xlnx-integral(x/x)dx=xlnx-x+C
Here you must use integration by parts because you cannot directly integrate ln(x).
The other common use would be your definition example.
 

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