How Do You Solve an Axially Loaded Member Problem with Multiple Unknowns?

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The discussion revolves around solving a problem related to an axially loaded member with multiple unknowns, specifically focusing on the compatibility of deformations in a composite structure consisting of steel and aluminum rods. Participants explore the equations governing deformation and the relationships between forces and displacements in the system.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about the compatibility problem and the number of unknowns in the system, questioning whether the bar contacts the wall.
  • Another participant suggests that because the steel rod is bonded to the aluminum rod, member BC should have the same displacement, leading to a specific relationship between forces and areas of the materials.
  • A participant provides the equation for deformation, \(\delta=\frac{PL}{AE}\), as a fundamental principle relevant to the problem.
  • One reply indicates that the first part of the problem can be solved by recognizing that the top aluminum piece, bottom steel piece, and bottom aluminum piece all experience the same axial deformations, leading to a system of equations that can be solved for the unknowns.
  • In a follow-up question, the same participant suggests a method to determine the applied force and internal forces necessary to achieve a specified deformation, noting that if the applied force is less than a certain threshold, the remaining force should be used to find additional forces in the sections.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not appear to reach a consensus on the correct approach to solving the problem, as there are different interpretations of the compatibility conditions and the relationships between forces and displacements.

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There are limitations related to the assumptions about the system's constraints, the definitions of the variables involved, and the potential for unresolved mathematical steps in the participants' reasoning.

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I am not sure how to go beyond this point or even if I have the compatibility problem correct, I am assuming that the bar does hit the other side of the wall. But when I go to solve this I have to many unknowns.

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Also because the steel rod is bonded to the aluminum rod i figured that member BC would have the same displacement, thus giving me F(al)=F(st)(\frac{A(al)}{A(st)})(\frac{E(al)}{E(st)}). Using this I was able to get an answer but it was wrong.
 
Note equation of deformation is \delta=\frac{PL}{AE}.
 
Did you solve for the first part correctly (Question 4-41)? The top alum piece, and the bottom steel piece, and the bottom alum piece, all have the same axial deformations. Using your deformation equations for each, and Newton's 1st law, gives you 4 equations with 4 unknowns, which you can solve for the forces and deformation.

In the next question 4-42, you can solve for the applied force and internal forces necessary to deform all 3 pieces equally at 5 mm each, using the same approach, but considering the bottom al-steel end free to move without deformation. Now if the applied force turns out less than 400 N to give this 5 mm deformation, then the remaining force (400 - the applied force you calculated) should be used similar to the first question to get the additional forces in the sections.
 

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