How Do You Tackle Complex Derivative Problems?

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The discussion revolves around finding derivatives of complex functions, specifically involving exponential and logarithmic expressions. The original poster presents three derivative problems that involve various rules of differentiation.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to find derivatives for three functions but expresses confusion regarding their answers and the application of derivative rules. They question whether their difficulties arise from simplification or oversight. Some participants suggest using properties of logarithms to aid in differentiation, particularly for the first problem.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring different approaches to the derivative problems, with some providing derivative rules and others offering insights into applying these rules effectively. There is a focus on understanding the reasoning behind the application of these rules rather than reaching a consensus on the solutions.

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The original poster indicates a lack of clarity in applying derivative rules to the specific problems presented, and there is an acknowledgment of the complexity involved in differentiating the given functions.

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Homework Statement


Find the derivatives for the following questions: a) y=x^lnx b) y=(1+x)^1/x c) y=((x-1)^2e^2x)/((x^2+1)^2(x^3-10)^3)



Homework Equations


Derivatives for exponential equations, the natural logarithm and derivative rules



The Attempt at a Solution


For a) I came up with an answer of (x^lnxlnx)/x, however, this is not the correct answer as it should be 2(lnx)x^lnx-1. I know where the x^lnx-1 came from, I am just lost on how that 2 got there.

b) is much the same as a) for me, as my answer of -((1+x)^1/xln(1+x))/x^2 is not close to the correct answer of (((1+x)^1/x)/x^2)((x/(1+x))-ln(1+x)). I don't know if my problems here are stemming from simplification or if I simply overlooked something when solving.

For c), basically I have no idea how to solve this one :-p My first try was to use the quotient rule, but this resulted in a HUGE amount of work, and got me thinking that there might be an easier way to solve it. Is there an easier way to solve this question, or is the quotient rule the only way to go about it?

Any help you guys can give for these questions will be greatly appreicated, thanks in advance.
 
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for random functions u , v we have
(u o v)'= (u' o v).v'
(uv)'=u'v+v'u
(u/v)'=(u'v-v'u)/v²
(u^n)'=nu'u^(n-1)
(exp u)'=u'exp u
(ln u)'= u'/u

okay now all you have to do is practice .until you master it.

PS: (u o v) means u(v(x)) for any x.
and (something)' = derivative of something.
 
I know all of the derivative rules, my problems here are stemming from actually applying them to the questions I have posted.
 
A common trick when differentiating a function, say f(x), that has a function of x in the integrand is to write f(x) as e^(ln(f(x))). In problem a) for example, this would be e^(ln(x^ln(x))), which by properties of logs is the same as e^(ln(x)*ln(x)) = e^(ln(x)^2). So when you differentiate this you will use the chain rule and will have to differentiate ln(x)^2-- this is where the 2 comes from.
 

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