How Does Channel Slope Affect Water Depth?

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The discussion revolves around the effect of channel slope on water depth in a rectangular channel, specifically in the context of a homework problem involving hydraulic calculations. Participants explore the application of Manning's formula and the implications of changing channel dimensions and slopes on water flow characteristics.

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  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a homework problem involving a rectangular channel with specific dimensions and asks for help in finding the new water depth given changes in slope and width.
  • Another participant notes the importance of calculating the wetted perimeter for the channel, suggesting that it is necessary for applying Manning's formula.
  • A third participant attempts to derive the formula for hydraulic radius based on the area and wetted perimeter, expressing uncertainty about its applicability due to the channel's slope.
  • A later reply clarifies that the slope is in the direction of water flow and emphasizes that the area and wetted perimeter are determined by the channel's cross-section, which is perpendicular to the flow direction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of confidence in their understanding of the problem, with some uncertainty about the correct application of formulas and the impact of the channel slope on calculations. No consensus is reached regarding the best approach to solve the problem.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge missing assumptions regarding the channel's geometry and the implications of slope on hydraulic calculations. The discussion reflects a dependency on definitions and the need for clarity in the problem's parameters.

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Homework Statement



A rectangular channel has a width of 2 meters, and an slope of 1:80. The Manning's number for the entire channel is n = 0,014. In this situation the depth is y= 1,50m. The flow of water is normal.

Further down the slope decreases to 1:150 and the width increases to b=3 meters. The waterflow Q and the MAnning's number is the same as in the situation above. Find the depth of water, y.

Homework Equations



Hydraulic radius R = A/P
Manning formula for gravity flow: Q= 1/n*A*R*S0^1/2
Froude number U/(√(g*y))

The Attempt at a Solution



I have the water flow Q= 17,04m^3/s from before. Since I also have Manning's number, width and slope, I'm thinking Manning's formula for gravity flow.

However, not having the new depth prevents me from calculating the hydraulic radius - which is a part of Manning's formula so it would end up looking like this:

17,04= 1/0,014*(3*y)*?^(2/3)*(1/150)^(1/2). (? being the place where the number for hydraulic radius would go).
So I'm kind of stuck at this point. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
 
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It seems like you are missing the wetted perimeter for the channel. The problem doesn't state it explicitly, but assume the channel cross section is still rectangular downstream. Can you figure out the formula for the perimeter given a width of 3.0 m and a depth of y?
 
We just touched on the subject before end of class today, so I'm not sure if this is correct, but using the formula for hydraulic radius R=A/P - where P is the wetted perimeter:

R= A/P can be re-written as (w*y)/(y+y+w)= (w*y)/(2y+w) giving P=2y+3.

Looking at it I'm not sure if this will work since there is a slope in the channel...
 
But the slope is in the direction of water flow, isn't it? The area and wetted perimeter of the channel are properties of the cross section of the channel, which is normal to the direction of flow.
 

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