How does Faraday's motor cause the wire to circularly move?

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The discussion revolves around the mechanics of Faraday's motor, specifically how the interaction between the magnetic field produced by the current in the wire and the magnetic field of a permanent magnet leads to circular motion of the wire. The scope includes conceptual understanding and technical explanations related to electromagnetic principles.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses uncertainty about how the circular magnetic field from the current interacts with the magnetic field of the permanent magnet to produce motion.
  • Another participant attributes the motion to the Lorentz force, noting that the force is perpendicular to both the magnetic field and the current, resulting in torque.
  • A participant questions the representation of magnetic field lines in a referenced image, suggesting that they appear incorrect and not radially symmetric around the battery.
  • Another participant clarifies that the field lines are symmetric around a small permanent magnet attached to the battery, which may explain the observed field lines in the image.
  • Subsequent replies indicate agreement on the need for clearer representation in the image regarding the magnetic field lines.

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Participants express differing views on the accuracy of the magnetic field representation in the referenced image, indicating a lack of consensus on its correctness. However, there is agreement on the need for clearer illustrations to convey the concepts effectively.

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Participants have not fully resolved the discrepancies regarding the magnetic field line representation, and assumptions about the configuration of the motor and its components remain implicit.

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Basically I'm not sure how the interaction between the circular magnetic field produced by the current in the wire and the magnetic field of the permanent magnet interact to cause the wire to move in circular motion. If someone could explain that I would appreciate it.
 
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It's all a function of the Lorentz force, and the fact that the resulting force is perpendicular to both the magnetic field and the current/charges. If you look at how the magnetic field lines run when they intersect with the wires, you'll see that the net result is a sideways force that then causes torque.

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That said, I just looked at the Wiki page of the homopolar motor, and they have this picture of the magnetic field lines:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/83/Motor_homopolar_flux_force_neutral.png

That picture looks really wrong to me. Why would the field lines not be radially symmetric around the battery? And, why would they "exit" at the bottom like that? The usual magnetic field of a circuit goes through the middle of the circuit, so I would imagine the field of the arrangement in the picture to have two of those.
 
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rumborak said:
Why would the field lines not be radially symmetric around the battery? And, why would they "exit" at the bottom like that?
There is a small permanent magnet attached to the bottom of the battery. The field lines are symmetric about that permanent magnet.
 
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Aaaaah, that makes sense. They could have made that a bit clearer in the pic I think.
 
I agree. The magnet looks like part of the battery the way they drew it.
 

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