How Does Gravity Affect Pressure and Curvature in Space?

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The discussion explores the relationship between gravity, pressure, and curvature in space, particularly focusing on how gravity affects time and spatial measurements. It includes theoretical considerations and conceptual clarifications regarding the effects of mass on space and time.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that the warping of space due to gravity could create a pressure-like effect, comparing it to pressing a ball against a plastic bag.
  • Others mention the stress-energy tensor as a method to describe the relationship between gravity and the curvature of space.
  • One participant questions whether time slows near mass because the curvature of space creates a longer distance to travel compared to a straight line.
  • It is noted that the perception of time slowing depends on the observer's frame of reference, with an outside observer seeing time slow near a massive object, while an infalling test particle experiences time normally.
  • Another participant clarifies that the slowing of time is not directly due to space curvature, but rather a separate effect, citing the geometric properties of space around mass.

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Participants express differing views on the relationship between space curvature and time dilation, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives on the topic.

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Some claims rely on specific definitions of time and space, and the discussion highlights the complexity of relating geometric properties to physical phenomena without reaching consensus on the interpretations.

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I've never been on a forum so I apologize if I'm asking a question in the wrong place. If so, would someone kindly directing me where to post.
If gravity warps space around mass, wouldn't the curving of space create pressure of force with momentum on the object warping it? Bad example but kinda like filling up a clear plastic bag and pressins a ball up against it.
 
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Derektquestions said:
I've never been on a forum so I apologize if I'm asking a question in the wrong place. If so, would someone kindly directing me where to post.
If gravity warps space around mass, wouldn't the curving of space create pressure of force with momentum on the object warping it? Bad example but kinda like filling up a clear plastic bag and pressins a ball up against it.
Correct the method is described via the stress energy tensor. ( included earlier this post)

Here is three detailed articles on the subject
http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0409426 An overview of Cosmology Julien Lesgourgues
http://arxiv.org/pdf/hep-th/0503203.pdf "Particle Physics and Inflationary Cosmology" by Andrei Linde
http://www.wiese.itp.unibe.ch/lectures/universe.pdf:" Particle Physics of the Early universe" by Uwe-Jens Wiese Thermodynamics, Big bang Nucleosynthesis
 
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Much appreciated, and since I have your attention, one more question... Does time slow near mass due to the curve in space creates a longer distance to travel than it would in a straight line?
 
Derektquestions said:
Much appreciated, and since I have your attention, one more question... Does time slow near mass due to the curve in space creates a longer distance to travel than it would in a straight line?

You will need to specify the observer. To the outside observer time slows down due to higher mass, however to the perspective of the infalling test particle time is the same

The relations are well explained here
.http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation
 
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Derektquestions said:
Does time slow near mass due to the curve in space creates a longer distance to travel than it would in a straight line?

As Mordred said, whether time "slows" depends on who the "time" is being measured relative to. However, even in the case where time does "slow"--when the outside observer is at rest relative to the massive object--this slowing is not due to space curvature. Space curvature means that, for example, if you measure the angles of a triangle that encloses the mass, the angles will not sum to 180 degrees. This is a different effect from the slowing of time.
 

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