How Does Gravity Affect Rocket Launches from Different Points on Earth?

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The discussion revolves around how gravity affects rocket launches from different points on Earth, exploring concepts related to the curvature of space-time as described by general relativity. Participants engage in clarifying misunderstandings about gravity and visual representations of the theory.

Discussion Character

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  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that launching a rocket from a lower point, such as Antarctica, would not involve passing through the curvature of gravity, questioning the validity of the theory.
  • Another participant counters by explaining that gravity is uniform in all directions and that the curvature described by general relativity is four-dimensional, not limited to three-dimensional visualizations.
  • A different participant emphasizes that in space, there is no defined "up" or "down," and gravity acts the same regardless of the launch point on Earth.
  • Some participants express that misunderstandings about the theory do not challenge its validity but rather highlight the need for better education on the topic.
  • There is a consensus among some participants that visual representations of gravity and space-time can be misleading, and they suggest that understanding requires overcoming classical assumptions.
  • Several participants note that while the theory of relativity is complex and difficult to visualize, it can be understood in simpler forms, though some scenarios may require multiple diagrams for clarity.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the implications of launching rockets from different points on Earth and how gravity is perceived in those contexts. There is no consensus on the interpretation of gravity's effect on rocket launches, and multiple viewpoints remain present in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in visualizing four-dimensional space-time and acknowledge that classical assumptions can hinder understanding. The discussion does not resolve these limitations or provide a definitive framework for understanding the theory.

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If a rocket takes off from upper part of Earth then it will have to pass the curvature(known as gravity) experiencing gravity which we also experience in reality.But if a rocket takes off from lower part (say antarctica) and moves straight downwards then it would not have to pass the curvature caused by Earth mass and so it should not experience gravity. But we know gravity is all around earth.
What will you say to save the THEORY!
 
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Would you by any chance be thinking of one of those pictures that shows the Earth as a ball sitting in depression in a stretched sheet? If so, you should put that picture out of your mind, as it very misleading.

The curvature in general relativity is curvature of four-dimensional space-time, not three-dimensional space. We humans aren't very good at visualizing four-dimensional shapes :) so you won't find any good pictures. However, the thing you need to know is that the curvature is the same in all directions heading out from the Earth - the standard solution (google for "Schwarzschild metric") for the gravitational field of a massive sphere like a star or a planet is spherically symmetric, meaning thatthe curvature at any given point is a function of the distance from the center of the Earth but not the direction.
 
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A quick way to refute your argument is to note that in space there is no "down" or "up". So Antarctica happens to be what we call "south", there is nothing in space to distinguish it as special. There's no "upper part" or "lower part", the Earth is just a sphere (to first approximation), and as far as gravity is concerned, the Earth is the same from any which way you look at it (again, to first approximation).
 
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rudransh verma said:
What will you say to save the THEORY!
The theory does not need saving. Misunderstandings about a theory do not constitute a challenge to the theory, merely an educational opportunity for the person with the misunderstanding.
 
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Nugatory said:
Would you by any chance be thinking of one of those pictures that shows the Earth as a ball sitting in depression in a stretched sheet? If so, you should put that picture out of your mind, as it very misleading.

The curvature in general relativity is curvature of four-dimensional space-time, not three-dimensional space. We humans aren't very good at visualizing four-dimensional shapes :) so you won't find any good pictures. However, the thing you need to know is that the curvature is the same in all directions heading out from the Earth - the standard solution (google for "Schwarzschild metric") for the gravitational field of a massive sphere like a star or a planet is spherically symmetric, meaning thatthe curvature at any given point is a function of the distance from the center of the Earth but not the direction.
actually yes pictures are very misleading.
 
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theory of relativity can't be visualized actually but can be only understood in a very simple form..Its complicated version is very difficult to undestand.
 
rudransh verma said:
theory of relativity can't be visualized actually but can be only understood in a very simple form..Its complicated version is very difficult to undestand.
Keep at it... The hard part isn't the theory, it's recognizing the unconscious classical assumptions that we make about how the world works so that we can retrain our intuition.
 
rudransh verma said:
theory of relativity can't be visualized actually but can be only understood in a very simple form..Its complicated version is very difficult to undestand.

Yes, some simple scenarios, which involve just 2 of the 4 space-time dimensions can be visualized in one diagram. Others require multiple diagrams.
 

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