How does Horava Lifshitz gravity affect the speed of light in bounce solutions?

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Horava-Lifshitz gravity suggests that the speed of light can reach infinite values at high energies, raising questions about its behavior during bounce solutions in cosmology. The discussion highlights the implications of this theory on established concepts like the BGV theorem, which posits that a finite universe should allow an observer to reach the speed of light. Participants debate the necessity of defining standard units and fundamental principles to measure physical phenomena across the universe. The survival of physical clocks through a bounce is questioned, complicating the understanding of causality in such scenarios. Overall, the conversation explores the complexities and potential contradictions of applying Horava-Lifshitz gravity to cosmological models.
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According to the wikipedia page on Horava Lifshitz gravity , the value of c
"Also, the speed of light has an infinite value at high energies."
This seems very interesting. In Horava cosmology its common to see bounce solutions, so what happens to the speed of light as one is on the other side of the bounce? Doe sit go infinite at the bounce and then back to finite?
Also I note that the well known BGV theroem for a past finite universe by Borde Guth Vielnkin, they seem to base their argument based on the idea that in a finite time a hypothetical observer reaches c. If Horava gravity is used then assuming wiki has it right, then this theorem should be violated. Is that right?
 
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Hi Palmer, you have to define what you want to use as standard units by which you can measure other objects by, and the fundamental principles by which to extrapolate those measurements across the universe.

If you define the speed of light in vacuo as a constant c, a property of space-time itself, then you only need to define a standard clock (say) and the rest (length and mass and energy) will follow. In QM you could define Planck's constant, and Planck units as fundamental.

The question about what happens to the speed of light through the 'bounce' will be a question of what changes or survives through the bounce, certainly no physical clocks!

Garth
 
so if no physical clocks surivie in what sense is i it before?
 
You have to define something else that survives the bounce in order to know what you are talking about, I suspect that is the problem with many theories of the 'origin' or 'pre-origin' of the universe!

Garth
 
is the bounce a natural consequence of Horava Lifshitz gravity?
 
Hi Garth, thansk for your replies. I am afraid I dint quite understand your last one.It was a mention of a paper that says Horava leads to bouncing cosmologies, but then you said Horava doesn always lead to bouncing cosmology.
Do you mind if I pick up on, if a clock doesn't survive , how is there still a notion of cause ad effect?
 
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