How does integration by parts work?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of integration by parts, specifically how it is applied to integrate functions involving products of two functions. Participants seek clarification on the method and its application to specific integrals, including examples like integrating \(2x \sin(3x)\).

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Homework-related
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about the concept of integration by parts and requests a simple explanation.
  • Another participant explains that integration by parts is related to the product rule of differentiation and provides a formula for its application.
  • Some participants suggest that integration by parts is most useful when one function can be simplified through differentiation.
  • There are discussions about specific integrals, such as \( \int \sin(x) e^x \), with some participants noting that it may require multiple applications of integration by parts.
  • Participants provide steps for integrating \(2x \sin(3x)\) and discuss the need for further integration after applying the method.
  • There are mentions of using substitution methods in conjunction with integration by parts, with varying levels of familiarity among participants regarding these techniques.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the steps involved in substitution and how to properly execute them.
  • A later reply confirms the final result of the integral as \( \frac{2}{9} \sin(3x) - \frac{2}{3} x \cos(3x) + C \), but emphasizes that the order of terms does not affect the answer.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the basic principles of integration by parts, but there is no consensus on the best approach for specific integrals or the clarity of the substitution method. Some participants express confusion about the steps involved, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved in terms of clarity and understanding.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various methods and approaches, but there are limitations in their understanding of substitution and integration techniques, leading to uncertainty in executing the steps correctly.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students learning integration techniques, particularly those struggling with integration by parts and substitution methods in calculus.

  • #31
??

would it be :

\frac{2}{9}sin(3x) + C

or

-\frac{2}{9}sin(3x) + C
 
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  • #32
u = 2x
du = 2dx
dv = sin(3x)dx
v = -1/3cos(3x)

then you use uv - \int vdu

Which means you should have

(2x)(\frac{-1}{3}cos(3x)) - \int (\frac{-1}{3}cos(3x)(2dx))

That then equals

\frac {-2}{3}xcos(3x) + \frac{2}{3} \int (cos(3x)dx

So the last part would be: + \frac{2}{9}sin(3x) + C

Remember, you can pull out the constants for the integral. ie, -1, 1/3, and 2
 
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  • #33
Confused again !

Yesterday & Today in the post the answer was :

\frac{2}{9} sin(3x) - \frac{2}{3}x cos(3x) + C

And now the answer is:

-\frac {2}{3}xcos(3x) + \frac{2}{9}(sin(3x)dx

Which one is right

i know that they are the other way round from each other but which way can i put it ?

the question is :

\int2x\sin{(3x)}dx

and does it matter if i put it the wrong way round ?
 
  • #34
Both of those are correct.

Except of course the second one should have a + C

Tell me, what is the answer to these two problems:

10 - 8

-8 + 10

Both equal 2 would you agree?
 
  • #35
Thanks

I get you now thanks very much !
 
  • #36
help with integration by parts *urgent*

i need help with this because it's driving me crazy.
I need to integrate:

X^3(e^(3x^2))

I can do simpler integration by parts but i can't get this one to work out. The answer works out to:

[(x^2)/6 -1/18]e^(3x^2) please be very detailed, because I know how to do simpler integration by parts, but this example is proving to be very difficult.
 
  • #37
Put this into a separate post
 

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