How does ladder operation in an anharmonic oscillator lead to a value of 3?

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The discussion revolves around the calculation involving the ladder operators in the context of an anharmonic oscillator, specifically focusing on the expression <0|a_(a+a_ + a_a+)a+|0> and its simplification to yield a value of 3.

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  • Participants explore the application of creation and annihilation operators on the ground state of the anharmonic oscillator, questioning how certain terms simplify to yield specific results. There is also a query about the conditions under which terms vanish based on the balance of operators.

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I wonder how <0|a_(a+a_ + a_a+)a+|0> = <0|(a_a+ + 2a_a+)|0> = 3??. Here <0| is the (unperturbed) ground state level of an anharmonic oscillator and a+ is the creation operator and a_ is the annihilation operator.

I would get from <0|a_(a+a_ + a_a+)a+|0> that this becomes:
<0|a_a+a_a+ + (a_)^2(a+)^2|0> or
<0|a_a+a_a+ + (a_)(a_)(a+)(a+)|0>.

How in the world could this equal to <0|(a_a+ + 2a_a+)|0> = 3

could anyone give a qualitative reason for this?

kind regards
 
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Hi rubertoda.

Consider a_a_a+a+|0>. Just go step by step letting the operators operate consecutively starting with the operator on the far right. So, the first thing to do is to see what a+|0> yields.
 
ok, no, i wrote wrong. I meant <0|(a_a+a_a+ + (a_)(a_)(a+)(a+))|0> with paranthesis around everything...thx
 
rubertoda said:
ok, no, i wrote wrong. I meant <0|(a_a+a_a+ + (a_)(a_)(a+)(a+))|0> with paranthesis around everything...thx

OK. I was just considering simplifying the second term. Note that you could write <0|(a_a+a_a+ + (a_)(a_)(a+)(a+))|0> = <0|a_a+a_a+|0> + <0|(a_)(a_)(a+)(a+)|0>. So, I was trying to have you think about how the second term <0|(a_)(a_)(a+)(a+)|0> simplifies. But, if you prefer, start with the first term <0|a_a+a_a+|0>.
 
ok, thx. i will do. and one last question. is it true that every term where the number of a_'s and a+'s aren't equal, i. e for example <0|x_x_x+|0> become 0, because it changes the state?
 
rubertoda said:
ok, thx. i will do. and one last question. is it true that every term where the number of a_'s and a+'s aren't equal, i. e for example <0|x_x_x+|0> become 0, because it changes the state?

Yes, that's right.
 
ok thanks a lot
 

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