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Try leaving it as ##h_1, h_2## for now. That's simpler. We can sort out these in terms of angles later.bieon said:Ah dang... :/
This discussion focuses on the application of momentum and energy conservation principles in the context of a Tarzan swing collision with Jane. Key variables include angles θ1=53° and θ2=37°, and the masses m1 and m2, where m2 is m1+50kg. The analysis involves deriving equations using the conservation of energy and momentum, particularly during the phases of swinging, collision, and subsequent swinging. The participants conclude that the collision is a perfect inelastic collision, emphasizing the importance of comparing potential and kinetic energy at different points in the swing.
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Try leaving it as ##h_1, h_2## for now. That's simpler. We can sort out these in terms of angles later.bieon said:Ah dang... :/
PeroK said:Try leaving it as ##h_1, h_2## for now. That's simpler. We can sort out these in terms of angles later.
Yes. Now you need the equation for ##v_1## and ##v_2## you got from conservation of monentum.bieon said:Like this?
Without Jane,
##Mg##(##h_1##)=½ ##Mv_1##2
With Jane,
##(M+m)g##(##h_2##)=½ ##(M+m)v_2##2
PeroK said:Yes. Now you need the equation for ##v_1## and ##v_2## you got from conservation of monentum.
Ok, so I put them in terms of velocity now right?PeroK said:PS note that the masses cancel in those equations, so that simllifies things a bit.
That's good. Now use the relationship between ##v_1## and ##v_2## that you got many posts ago.bieon said:Ok, so I put them in terms of velocity now right?
M##g##(##h_1##)=½M##v_1##2
2##g####h_1##= ##v_1##2
With Jane,
(M+m)##g##(##h_2##)=½(M+m)##v_2##2
2##g####h_2##= ##v_2##2
(##M##+##m##)##√2####gh_2##=##M√2####gh_1##PeroK said:That's good. Now use the relationship between ##v_1## and ##v_2## that you got many posts ago.
bieon said:so... V2=[m1/(m1+m2)]v1
(Sorry, I don't know how to use fraction here...)
Like this?PeroK said:This!
It looks like you've done it. Can you finish it off by expressing height in terms of angle.bieon said:(##M##+##m##)##√2####gh_2##=##M√2####gh_1##
This?
I believe I can! Thank you so much! I am sorry for the trouble!PeroK said:It looks like you've done it. Can you finish it off by expressing height in terms of angle.
Uhm I think I had trouble, I know the general concept of l-lcos but I am not sure where it came from...PeroK said:It looks like you've done it. Can you finish it off by expressing height in terms of angle.
bieon said:Uhm I think I had trouble, I know the general concept of l-lcos but I am not sure where it came from...
but why is it L - L cos θ ?PeroK said:It's just trigonometry.
bieon said:but why is it L - L cos θ ?
Sorry, I just want to understand more
Thank you so much!PeroK said:It's standard analysis of a pendulum motion. See here, for example:
https://study.com/academy/lesson/pendulums-in-physics-energy-exchange-calculations.html