How Does Symmetry Affect the Solution to D'Alembert's Problem?

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The discussion revolves around D'Alembert's problem in the context of wave equations, specifically examining how symmetry in initial conditions affects the solution. The problem involves a wave equation with boundary conditions and symmetric initial functions.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • Participants explore the periodic nature of the solution and its implications, questioning how to express the relationship between the wave function and its symmetry mathematically. There is mention of using normal modes and Fourier series expansion as potential approaches.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants seeking hints and opinions rather than direct answers. Some guidance has been offered regarding the use of normal modes, but no consensus has been reached on the approach to take.

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Participants are navigating the constraints of expressing the solution mathematically while adhering to the properties of symmetry in the initial conditions. There is an indication of a need for clarification on the mathematical representation of these concepts.

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Homework Statement



[tex]\frac{\partial u^2}{\partial t^2} = c^2 \frac{\partial u^2}{\partial x^2} \;\;,\;\; u(0,t)=u(L,t)=0 \;\;,\;\; u(x,0)=f(x) \;\;,\;\; \frac{\partial u}{\partial t}(x,0)=g(x)[/tex]

[tex]f(x) \;and\; g(x) \;are\; symmetric\; about\;\; x=\frac{L}{2} \;\Rightarrow f(L-x)=f(x) \;\;and\;\; g(L-x)=g(x)[/tex]

Show [tex]u(x,t+\frac{L}{c})=-u(x,t)[/tex]

Homework Equations



[tex]u(x,t)=\frac{1}{2}[f(x+ct)+f(x-ct)]+\frac{1}{2}[G(x+ct)-G(x-ct)] \;\;\;where\;\;\; G(x)=\frac{1}{c}[G(x+ct)-G(x-ct)][/tex]

[tex]u(-x,t)=-u(x,t) \;\;,\;\; u(x+2L,t)=u(x,t) \;\;,\;\; u(x-L,t)=u(x+L,t)[/tex]


The Attempt at a Solution



u(x,t) is periodic with T=2L.

[tex]u(x, t+\frac{L}{c} ) =\frac{1}{2}[f(x+c (t+\frac{L}{c}) )+f(x-c(t+\frac{L}{c}) )]+\frac{1}{2}[G(x+c(t+\frac{L}{c}) )-G(x-c(t+\frac{L}{c}) )][/tex]

[tex]\Rightarrow u(x, t+\frac{L}{c} ) =\frac{1}{2}[ f((x+L)+ct )+f((x-L)-ct)]+\frac{1}{2}[G((x+L)+ct)-G((x-L)-ct)][/tex]

[tex]u(x-L,t)=u(x+L,t) \Rightarrow \; u(x, t+\frac{L}{c} ) =\frac{1}{2}[ f((x+L)+ct )+f((x+L)-ct)]+\frac{1}{2}[G((x+L)+ct)-G((x+L)-ct)][/tex]


I can see odd and even function with symmetric at the middle of the period like sin(x) and cos(x) resp. That [tex]sin(x+\pi)=-sin(x) \;and\; cos(x+\pi)=-cos(x)[/tex]

I just don't know how to express in mathametical terms. Can someone at least get me hints or answer?

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Alan
 
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Can anyone at least give me some opinion even you might not have the answer?
 
Try expressing u(x,t) in terms of the normal modes.
 
vela said:
Try expressing u(x,t) in terms of the normal modes.

You mean in fouries series expansion? I'll look into this and post back. Thanks
 

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