How Does the Chain Rule Explain Acceleration in Terms of Distance?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the application of the chain rule in calculus to explain the relationship between acceleration, velocity, and distance. Participants explore the mathematical derivation of acceleration in terms of distance and velocity, questioning the meaning and implications of derivatives in this context.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses confusion about how the chain rule leads to the expression for acceleration as a function of distance and velocity.
  • Another participant clarifies that if distance is a function of time, velocity can also be expressed as a function of distance, provided the function is invertible.
  • There is a discussion about the meaning of the derivative of velocity with respect to distance, with one participant noting that it represents the change in velocity as distance changes.
  • A participant provides an example using a specific velocity function to illustrate the application of the chain rule but questions how to compute the derivative of velocity with respect to distance.
  • Another participant suggests that the relationship between velocity and distance can sometimes be more useful than that between velocity and time.
  • One participant reiterates the chain rule and its application in this context, emphasizing that it is straightforward once the relationships are established.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the application of the chain rule and the relationships between the variables, but there remains uncertainty about the practical implications and the computation of specific derivatives.

Contextual Notes

Some participants highlight the need for more clarity on the concept of invertible functions and the conditions under which derivatives can be computed, as well as the lack of proofs in the source material they are referencing.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be useful for students learning calculus, particularly those interested in the applications of the chain rule in physics, as well as those exploring the relationships between acceleration, velocity, and distance.

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Hi I'm learning about The chainrule, and I understand how to apply the chain rule on various problems, but there is a problems I don't understand how works: 1) The book I'm reading writes acceleration as

a=v*(dv)/dt

And IT argues that v=ds/dt and a=dv/dt (which i understand)

So therefore by applying the chain rule we get

a=dv/ds*ds/dt =v*dv/ds.

The part i don't understand is: How did we get dv/ds by applying the chain rule? What does the derivative of Velocity with respect to distance even men? Usually it's ds/dv and not dv/ds.
 
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christian0710 said:
The part i don't understand is: How did we get dv/ds by applying the chain rule?

Yes, s is a function of t and (as long as it is invertible) you can therefore write v as a function of s.

christian0710 said:
What does the derivative of Velocity with respect to distance even men?
What do derivatives usually mean?
 
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Orodruin said:
Yes, s is a function of t and (as long as it is invertible) you can therefore write v as a function of s.What do derivatives usually mean?

Thank you for the reply
invertible derivatives is new for me, So i assume it means the change in velocity with respect to distance but don't really see a) how it works out in practice and b) why you can just do that (there was no proof in the book):
if velocity is v=2t then s=1t^2 +Vo so a=v*dv/ds =2t(dv/ds) but how do you find dv/ds?
 
christian0710 said:
but how do you find dv/ds?
This would depend on the information you have at hand. If you have v as a function of s, you would simply perform the derivative.
 
Sometimes the relation between ##v## and ##s## is more useful than that between ##v## and ##t,## while the latter is more often used for it illustrates ##a.##
 
some times you may want to realize that V is a function of S that is of course a function of t

V=V(S(T))
so taking the derivative (with respect to t) you are going to obtain:
a=(dV/dS)V

there is nothing deeper than this! The general chain rule is: having

g=g(h(x))

g'=g'(h(x))h'(x)
 

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