How Does the Decay Constant Influence Water Flow in Exponential Decay Models?

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The discussion revolves around the influence of the decay constant on water flow in exponential decay models, particularly in the context of a burette experiment. Participants explore the mathematical relationships involved and the physical implications of hydrostatic pressure on flow rates.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the meaning of the decay constant in the context of water flow, noting its units of 1/seconds.
  • Another participant states that the inverse of the decay constant is proportional to the half-life, which is the time required to lose half of the initial volume.
  • A follow-up question is posed regarding whether the decrease in water flow rate is due to reduced hydrostatic pressure as the volume decreases.
  • Clarifications are made regarding the relationship between the decay constant and the half-life, emphasizing that they are not equal but proportional.
  • One participant questions the role of hydrostatic pressure in the flow rate, suggesting that higher pressure at peak volume results in faster flow, which decreases as volume diminishes.
  • A more detailed explanation is provided involving a valve at the bottom of the column, relating flow rate to pressure drop and incorporating mass balance equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the decay constant and half-life, as well as the impact of hydrostatic pressure on flow rates. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact influence of these factors.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note the need for clarification on the definitions and relationships between the decay constant, half-life, and hydrostatic pressure, indicating potential assumptions and dependencies that are not fully explored.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying fluid dynamics, exponential decay models, or anyone involved in experimental physics related to water flow and pressure dynamics.

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When modelling exponential decay in class we did a water flow through a burette experiment. We were given the equation V(t)= V0 e^-λt and ln(V0/V)=λt Where lambda is the decay constant, V0 is the initial volume and V is the volume at any time t. What does the decay constant actually tell you in this situation? I know it's measured in 1/seconds but what does it show you?
 
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The inverse of the decay constant is proportional to the half life (The time to lose half of the volume in the experiment)
 
Thank you. A follow up question. As the volume decreases as the water flows out, the rate at which the water flows out also decreases. Is this because there is less hydro-static pressure on the water?
 
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dauto said:
The inverse of the decay constant is proportional to the half life (The time to lose half of the volume in the experiment)

Not quite the formal definition of the decay constant, but of the half life time constant, which uses the exponential of 2, and not e.

From the equation V(t)= Vo e^-λt , or V(t)/Vo = e^-λt,
one can see that if the exponent λt = 1,
then,
V(t)/Vo = 1/e = 0.3678 ..

In other words the initial value Vo has decayed to 1/e of its value after one decay constant.
 
256bits said:
Not quite the formal definition of the decay constant, but of the half life time constant, which uses the exponential of 2, and not e.

From the equation V(t)= Vo e^-λt , or V(t)/Vo = e^-λt,
one can see that if the exponent λt = 1,
then,
V(t)/Vo = 1/e = 0.3678 ..

In other words the initial value Vo has decayed to 1/e of its value after one decay constant.

That's why I didn't say they are equal. I said they are proportional.
 
Anything on the hydro static pressure? :P
 
Saado said:
Anything on the hydro static pressure? :P
Are you asking for a derivation of that equation, with λ related to actual physical parameters?

Chet
 
No. I'm just wondering if hydro static pressure has an effect on the rate of flow of water. I'd assume that at peak volume, the hydro static pressure is higher and so the rate is fast and as the volume decreases, the pressure does so as well and so the rate decreases. Is this right?
 
Saado said:
No. I'm just wondering if hydro static pressure has an effect on the rate of flow of water. I'd assume that at peak volume, the hydro static pressure is higher and so the rate is fast and as the volume decreases, the pressure does so as well and so the rate decreases. Is this right?
Suppose you have a valve at the bottom of the column, and the characteristic of this valve is that Q = k(P-P0), where Q is the volume rate of flow out the valve, and P-P0 is the pressure drop across the valve. Assume that this is the dominant flow resistance in the system. Also, the pressure at the bottom of the column is P0+ρgz. Then a mass balance on the column gives:

\frac{dV}{dt}=-kρgz=-\frac{kρg}{A}V

where A is the cross sectional area of the column.

Chet
 

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