How Does the Depletion Region Influence Diode Behavior in Forward Bias?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers on the influence of the depletion region on diode behavior when forward biased, exploring the conceptual and theoretical aspects of diode models, particularly the representation of diodes as batteries in circuit analysis.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant notes that the depletion layer in the p-region has more negative ions, leading to confusion about why the diode behaves like a battery with positive polarity at the p-region during forward bias.
  • Another participant asserts that a diode never behaves like a battery, suggesting a fundamental disagreement on the model's validity.
  • A participant references a textbook that depicts the diode model as a 0.7V battery in forward bias, indicating a common educational representation.
  • Another participant challenges the model, stating that the current through the diode is not zero even below 0.7V, and that the model's representation does not reflect physical phenomena accurately.
  • One participant questions the polarity of the depletion layer, suggesting it should be negative despite the model indicating positive polarity in forward bias.
  • A later reply introduces the concept of built-in potential, differentiating it from the cut-in voltage and suggesting that the cut-in voltage is a model parameter rather than a physical property of the diode.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the validity of the diode-as-battery model, with some supporting its use for circuit analysis while others contest its physical accuracy. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the depletion region's charge on diode behavior.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the diode model, including the distinction between built-in potential and electro-chemical potential, and the nature of the cut-in voltage as a model parameter rather than a physical characteristic.

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At depletion layer of p region, there more negative ions thus negatively charged region.
Likewise at n region, it is positively charged.

Then why in equivalent forward bias the diode behave as a battery of .7v with positive at depletion region of the p region where it is negatively charged?
 
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Diode never behaves like a battery.
 
I'm reading Electronic Devices by Floyd 7edition page31- Diode Models.

In a forward bias, the complete diode model is depicted as a 0.7V battery with + polarity facing the + Vbias , a resistor and a switch all in series.

In reverse bias, only a switch which is connected parallel to a resistor.
 
Its an approximate model of a diode. Even below 0.7V the diode current is not zero in reality. But that current is very low and can be ignored. The model has 0.7V battery so that at 0.7V the current becomes zero and increases linearly onward. This is not a physical phenomena.
 
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My question is why is it that it has positive polarity even though the depletion layer of p region is negatively charged.
To my assumption it should be negative polarity.
 
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http://ecee.colorado.edu/~bart/book/book/chapter4/ch4_3.htm
refer to fig 4.3.1 c , That is a plot of vacuum potential across the diode (at 0V bias). It is about 0.1V-0.3V for a normal pn junction and is called built-in potential. It is different from electro-chemical potential (which is what we call voltage/voltage drop for the sake of brevity). At 0V bias the voltage across the diode is always 0.

Cut-in voltage (0.7V) of a diode has no relation with built-in potential or electro-chemical potential. It is a model parameter (just like a transistor has a model parameter, beta). It just indicates the voltage below which we can very well ignore the current. Thus one can ask which equivalent circuit can follow this model? And we get the circuit with battery and all. They do not exist inside the diode in reality.
 

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