How does the expression for p affect the PDE?

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The discussion revolves around a partial differential equation (PDE) related to traffic flow, specifically examining how the expression for pressure (p) influences the PDE. The equation presented is p.dv/dx + v.dp/dx + dp/dt = 0, with v defined as kx/p. Participants are tasked with showing that this leads to dp/dt = -k.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants attempt to manipulate the PDE by substituting the expression for v and simplifying the equation. Some question the independence of variables x and p, leading to discussions about the implications of this assumption on the PDE.

Discussion Status

There is ongoing exploration of the characteristics of the PDE and how traffic density behaves along these characteristics. Some participants have established a relationship between dp/dt and k, while others express uncertainty about the connections between various parameters introduced in the discussion.

Contextual Notes

Participants are navigating assumptions about the independence of variables and the implications of these assumptions on the original problem. There is also mention of characteristics and their relation to the traffic density, but clarity on these concepts is still being sought.

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A model for single land of traffic is given below:

p.dv/dx + v. dp/dx + dp/dt = 0

Where v = kx/p

Show that with the expression for p, the PDE becomes:

dp/dt = -k



Here is my attempt

v = kx/p

dv/dx = k/p

Sub into pde:

p (k/p) + (kx/p) .dp/dx + dp/dt = 0

k + (kx/p). dp/dx + dp/dt = 0

This is how far I can get, any help would be great.
 
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andrey21 said:
A model for single land of traffic is given below:

p.dv/dx + v. dp/dx + dp/dt = 0

Where v = kx/p

Show that with the expression for p, the PDE becomes:

dp/dt = -k



Here is my attempt

v = kx/p

dv/dx = k/p

Sub into pde:

p (k/p) + (kx/p) .dp/dx + dp/dt = 0

k + (kx/p). dp/dx + dp/dt = 0

This is how far I can get, any help would be great.

The equation v = kx/p gives v as a function of x and p. If x and p are independent of each other, then x is not a function of p, and p is not a function of x.

If we make the assumption that p and x are independent, then
[tex]\frac{\partial p}{\partial x} = 0[/tex]

so your last equation reduces to
[tex]k + \frac{\partial p}{\partial t} = 0[/tex]

or
[tex]\frac{\partial p}{\partial t} = -k[/tex]
 
Thank you Mark 44, as a follow up I am asked to establish the characteristics and what happens to traffic density along a characteristic?

I'm assuming I have to use the following:

dx/a = dt/b = du/c

Am I on the right track?
 
andrey21 said:
Thank you Mark 44, as a follow up I am asked to establish the characteristics and what happens to traffic density along a characteristic?

I'm assuming I have to use the following:

dx/a = dt/b = du/c

Am I on the right track?
I don't know. How are u, a, b, and c related to the original problem? Also, refresh my memory as to what a characteristic is.
 
Well given that I have established:

dp/dt = -k

the original pde can be written as:

K + 0 - k = 0

Therefore:

a = k b = 0 c = -k
 
andrey21 said:
Well given that I have established:

dp/dt = -k

the original pde can be written as:

K + 0 - k = 0

Therefore:

a = k b = 0 c = -k

Your derivatives are throwing me off.

What we found was [tex]\frac{\partial p}{\partial t} = -k[/tex]
Click the equation to see how I wrote it in LaTeX.

It looks to me like this:
K + 0 - k = 0

should be this:
k + 0 - k = 0

I still have no idea how a, b, and c (and u) tie into things.
 

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