Versus MIT, CIT, etc.?
I talked to a colleague of mine who went there for his undergrad. The admission stats are a little skewed because everybody in India (who actually goes through formal education) sits the exams, regardless of how realistic their chances of getting in are.My understanding is that although the admission standards are notoriously hard, as a university, factoring in research and faculty, IIT is not in the league of MIT or Caltech. People say this about Tokyo or SNU or KAIST, and these schools are very difficult to get into, but they are nowhere near the research output of MIT.
http://www.india-server.com/news/iit-jee-fails-to-get-the-best-talent-2611.html [Broken]JEE may be the toughest competition for thousands of IIT aspirants, but for IIT-Madras director, MS Ananth, it has failed to fetch the best talent in IITs. The issue may stir a national debate for its grave importance. Earlier also there has been concerned voices coming from many sectors about the performance of IITs and reasons behind its lacking in research.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reservation_in_IndiaReservation in Indian law is a form of affirmative action whereby a percentage of seats are reserved in the public sector units, union and state civil services, union and state government departments and in all public and private educational institutions, except in the religious/ linguistic minority educational institutions, for the socially and educationally backward classes of citizens or the Scheduled Castes and Tribes who were inadequately represented in these services and institutions. The reservation policy is extended for the SC and STs in representing the Parliament of India, etc. The central government of India reserves 27% of higher education, Reservation in most states is capped at a maximum of 50%, but certain Indian states like Rajasthan have proposed a 68 % reservation which ironically includes a 14% reservation for forward castes.
In physics that preparation helps Indians kill the Physics GRE. They alone skew the average. There education seems to work really well at preparing them for standardized exams and eventually have their country be extremely competitive for US grad admissions. The only I suppose would be that it makes so many 900+PGRE that it creates really stiff competition.Have to agree with the above post whole-heartedly. I think there was a similar thread sometime back about memorising stuff in school where I posted something similar to the above post.
That was so funny!!! :D.
I believe we have some IIT students on PF. What do they have to say about this?
thats the entire point, the education system has molded itself to the needs of examination. students rarely know anything beyond the course.In physics that preparation helps Indians kill the Physics GRE. They alone skew the average. There education seems to work really well at preparing them for standardized exams and eventually have their country be extremely competitive for US grad admissions. The only I suppose would be that it makes so many 900+PGRE that it creates really stiff competition.
Even in the West, I don't think your standard fresh-from-university engineering student is ready to go from day one (unless they've previously worked at the company/organization, and on the project they're being assigned to). I think most fresh-from-school engineers spend a month or few doing orientation work. And most engineers don't actually use a whole lot of the stuff they learn in school (though it builds towards your "aggregate" knowledge and makes it easier when you need to (re)learn something). Unfortunately, unless you're a very special personality type, most of the stuff you learn needs to be used, or you'll forget (but it's easier to learn something the second time around).thats the entire point, the education system has molded itself to the needs of examination. students rarely know anything beyond the course.
Recently I was watching TV, Mr Ratan Tata(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratan_Tata) said that almost all graduating engineers are non employable, they have to be put through a training regime for at least 6 months.
Its pretty embarrassing:shy:
students are animals here, they ll do whatever comes their way to get food.(duh.. cracking an exam!! no big deal). I am 21, one of my classmate is 29, he kept taking the exam for straight 7 years before he finally got the admission.
:surprisedreally?? well, that's a first. Where do you live?So while us evil white males get shafted, students from India get prime pickings at the best and highest paying engineering jobs (around here anyway).
Anyways, its no point whining about it. Its just the way it is.I'm sure everyone here has the same opinion about generalized exams but unfortunately none of us run the HR department at any multibillion dollar companies.
phew.. long post!!i agree that there is ..............has already left the institute after graduation doesnt help....
which was precisely the point of this thread.[please do not compare them with the likes of Princeton, Caltech and MIT it would be like comparing a F-22 raptor with a plane from the 2nd world war]
I never said there are no good things in here. Sure there are, but again, that wasn't the point of the threadThere are good things in India if you open up your eyes and look for them.
Yes, his name was Narendra Karmakar.Wasn't the deterministic polynomial time prime testing algorithm discovered by a team from IIT?
Hi Anurudh..a mixture of amusement and shock at the evolution of this thread...my first thoughtsI believe we have some IIT students on PF. What do they have to say about this?
Exactly, there aren't so many "successful"(assumed) career options here.The main difference is that while in India, a degree is more of a requirement than an object of desire, in the US there are several other career avenues and students are therefore able to think more holistically during high school then just blindly following the herd to "do" engineering.
That would not be fair to say. You do know that IITs are centrally funded, while other universities are either state funded or are private. Privates are always running for $$, so they don't even stand any chance of redemption. State universities don't show the promise of IITs simply because no one cares. The bureaucracy, the management, the administrators aren't made much credible or accountable to the state in terms of education, funding etc, they are just goons & thugs. While IITs are only 7(at least a couple of year back, only 7 were there)& are somehow still clearer than state U.That said, the "IITs with buildings" (I am referring to the 7 or 8 that are "time tested") have a great undergrad program which in its diversity, richness, rigor, quality and reputation, is unmatched. So, if the other univs in the country can match up to these standards and better them, we'll have the same kind of environment that exists in the US -- several good universities, interested people, motivated students, etc.
I dunno about cranking up the standards, but I am sure the government is desperate to equalize IITs with state universities. With insanely stupid HRD & several new things coming up, IITs soon wont bite that hard(sadly).So, if the other univs in the country can match up to these standards and better them, we'll have the same kind of environment that exists in the US -- several good universities, interested people, motivated students, etc.